2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Flamenspiel]

We are not getting Eichel, fogettaboutit. You draft a 1c, what the Flames need is a new GM with endless patience.

We are basically where the Leafs were before they traded Kessel and all. The Flames need to hire one if the guys that quit when Dubas took over. The younger one, was it Mark Hunter?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’d do it if they took Lucic so you’d end up with $4M of dead money for the first while. Man, just looking at that shows how bad that contract is. Skinner is only 28 - it’s weird how he is so useless.

We want to shake up the team because it is flawed - i.e. a rebuild/retool. Taking on a bad contract in order to get more assets is a great idea. But when that bad contract extends into and through the next window, it is self-defeating.

You can't build a winner with $9M in dead cap space

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Again, not DuChene or RyJo.

OK Brad. Stay the course

I know what you mean, I was just countering your "move the needle" comment. Our Centres are just not good enough to slot where they are slotted.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

We are not getting Eichel, fogettaboutit.

Agreed, Flames simply don't have the assets to make a trade like that..

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

ROR was on a team with Jack Eichel, so not a 1C there. He was essentially put into a Backlund role.

Carter in Philly? Maybe, though Giroux scored more (I can’t remember if he was a wing or C then). But he was never a 1C after that trade - crapped out in Columbus (on purpose I believe) and slotted behind Kopitar in LA.

ROR and Carter were castoffs that went on to win Stanley Cups as their respective team's top line Cs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Red

OK Brad. Stay the course

I know what you mean, I was just countering your "move the needle" comment. Our Centres are just not good enough to slot where they are slotted.

There is a lot of space between 'staying the course' and trading for another flawed player and just spinning your wheels.

Making trades is very difficult. And once you do, it often limits what else you can do. So going out and getting a flawed player like Duchene, simply for the sake of change, is stupid.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is a lot of space between 'staying the course' and trading for another flawed player and just spinning your wheels.

Making trades is very difficult. And once you do, it often limits what else you can do. So going out and getting a flawed player like Duchene, simply for the sake of change, is stupid.

Not for a second did I suggest getting Duchene. Why is this getting repeated? Do you guys not read posts?


And yes making trades is difficult. But just think about all the players that have moved in the last 6+ years.

So many missed opportunities to upgrade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

ROR and Carter were castoffs that went on to win Stanley Cups as their respective team's top line Cs.

ROR yes. And it was way more than expected (and I really wanted ROR here). Kopitar was the 1C on LA - he got the hard matchups and still out scored the rest of the team. But Carter was a strong second.

I’d have been really leery of Carter who I lost respect for for his play in Columbus. He purposely played badly so he’d be traded.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

OK Brad. Stay the course

I know what you mean, I was just countering your "move the needle" comment. Our Centres are just not good enough to slot where they are slotted.

I don’t see a realistic move to improve C, frankly. It’s why you have to continue to hope the wingers around Lindholm/Monahan/Backlund can be tweaked to make the team competitive though being deep. That, I think, was the plan after Bennett didn’t emerge as a top line C. Sort of a Boston Bruins outline with guys who are all very very good, though not elite points wise. The problem is that Boston had terrific team D and therefore could hang with higher powered teams. And they can skate.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

ROR yes. And it was way more than expected (and I really wanted ROR here). Kopitar was the 1C on LA - he got the hard matchups and still out scored the rest of the team. But Carter was a strong second.

I’d have been really leery of Carter who I lost respect for for his play in Columbus. He purposely played badly so he’d be traded.

Not every one is perfect. LA brought in two party boys in Richards and Carter and won with them. Sometime you need to take a chance.

Treliving seems to play it on the safe side. Which in theory can be great. But this team is not improving and it's actually about to implode with decisions on Johnny and Tkachuk's futures.
He is in on all the big players but never completes the transaction. Too much $$$, too rich a trade ask, always something.

This team does not currently have a capable top line. We've seen one line teams in the past, but this is just a new low.

Meanwhile Josh Anderson and Tyler Toffoli move. So does PLD. And a few others lesser names.

PLD and Anderson would take kahoons to to go after because both have some question marks. But these two guys could reshape a team.

[Vinny01]

I feel like the Flames were in a Monahan+Gaudreau for Anderson+PLD discussion in the offseason and not sure who got the cold feet there but obviously it fell apart when the Domi deal happened. Would have been classic Treliving trading for RFA’s and making them core pieces. The Flames would be a completely different team had that move happened. They still have the money for Markstrom and Tanev if that deal happened.

I am just speculating that was the deal discussed it the rumors were it was a huge trade if it happened

[Red]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel like the Flames were in a Monahan+Gaudreau for Anderson+PLD discussion in the offseason and not sure who got the cold feet there but obviously it fell apart when the Domi deal happened. Would have been classic Treliving trading for RFA’s and making them core pieces. The Flames would be a completely different team had that move happened. They still have the money for Markstrom and Tanev if that deal happened.

I am just speculating that was the deal discussed it the rumors were it was a huge trade if it happened

Bingo!

Not sure about the Mony + Johnny straight up trade, but either way, this team could have been reshaped. No covid excuses for Treliving.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel like the Flames were in a Monahan+Gaudreau for Anderson+PLD discussion in the offseason and not sure who got the cold feet there but obviously it fell apart when the Domi deal happened. Would have been classic Treliving trading for RFA’s and making them core pieces. The Flames would be a completely different team had that move happened. They still have the money for Markstrom and Tanev if that deal happened.

I am just speculating that was the deal discussed it the rumors were it was a huge trade if it happened

If that trade was talked about, it was likely Columbus that pulled out due to Johnny and Monny's contracts coming due too soon for their taste, and the liklihood of them resigning.

Funny, if that trade had happened, many posters would have hated it then. It would sure look better today.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

But he is. By every metric.

His shooting percentage is way down this year, but he is still the best player on the team.

Certainly the most overpaid player. And if what you say is true, we are in a whole lot of trouble.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We want to shake up the team because it is flawed - i.e. a rebuild/retool. Taking on a bad contract in order to get more assets is a great idea. But when that bad contract extends into and through the next window, it is self-defeating.

You can't build a winner with $9M in dead cap space

I agree, I’m just spitballing any way it could work. That contract is worse than any mistake Treliving has made.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t see a realistic move to improve C, frankly. It’s why you have to continue to hope the wingers around Lindholm/Monahan/Backlund can be tweaked to make the team competitive though being deep. That, I think, was the plan after Bennett didn’t emerge as a top line C. Sort of a Boston Bruins outline with guys who are all very very good, though not elite points wise. The problem is that Boston had terrific team D and therefore could hang with higher powered teams. And they can skate.

...and they were fortunate to have David Pastrnak fall on their laps.

This talk about Eichel is a little silly in my mind. It's a pipe dream.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Not every one is perfect. LA brought in two party boys in Richards and Carter and won with them. Sometime you need to take a chance.

Treliving seems to play it on the safe side. Which in theory can be great. But this team is not improving and it's actually about to implode with decisions on Johnny and Tkachuk's futures.
He is in on all the big players but never completes the transaction. Too much $$$, too rich a trade ask, always something.

This team does not currently have a capable top line. We've seen one line teams in the past, but this is just a new low.

Meanwhile Josh Anderson and Tyler Toffoli move. So does PLD. And a few others lesser names.

PLD and Anderson would take kahoons to to go after because both have some question marks. But these two guys could reshape a team.

Calgary already has its party boys or at least, they were. It’s already got rid of others because they were not good in addition to being partiers.

ETA: and they ended up getting rid of Richards under a suspicious rationale.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You guys DO realize that Tkatchuk is the best player on the Flames, right?

And has been since he joined the team?

You don't want to pay him what he's worth? What has Calgary as a team done to deserve to not pay players who are actually good?

Ridiculous train of thought.

I don’t agree he’s the best player on the team. But even if he is, it (a) isn’t a high bar and (b) doesn’t mean he is worth his Q offer. Look at the comparables at that price.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel like the Flames were in a Monahan+Gaudreau for Anderson+PLD discussion in the offseason and not sure who got the cold feet there but obviously it fell apart when the Domi deal happened. Would have been classic Treliving trading for RFA’s and making them core pieces. The Flames would be a completely different team had that move happened. They still have the money for Markstrom and Tanev if that deal happened.

I am just speculating that was the deal discussed it the rumors were it was a huge trade if it happened

I thought the names around Columbus and the Flames were Anderson, one of their goalies and I think Friedmen mentioned Gavrikov. If I were to bet, it was Monahan going the other way and perhaps others depending on how many pieces were moving either way.

Pinder made this point earlier this week and it is an interesting one, I think. If the Flames were trying to move Monahan this last off season it definitely says something about the player, or maybe management, that they couldn't find a trade partner with a 30 goal in his prime centreman on the table.

Based on what we have seen to date this season, I would say it is more of a Monahan thing than it is a Treliving thing.

[bubbsy]

Per eklund...

And yet, the rumors are still persisting that Gaudreau isn't long for Calgary...I keep hearing NJ, Montreal, Buffalo, Chicago and of course Philly..with one source saying talks are actually "ongoing."