If you're taking co-worker to mean the receptionist or junior level worker then sure I get it, but there should be nothing wrong with people on the same team with the same responsibilities comparing salaries
Agreed. I think it's just impolite to talk salary to someone who is clearly in a lesser role than you and making less money... unless they are asking about it and are genuine in their intentions on learning how they can climb a similar corporate ladder so to speak. But speaking among peers about salary is only beneficial for the group. It also is very likely to increase trust and team cohesion- much like understanding everyone's roles and contributions can have positive impacts on a team, understanding what everyone gets from it can also have positive impacts.
If you're taking co-worker to mean the receptionist or junior level worker then sure I get it, but there should be nothing wrong with people on the same team with the same responsibilities comparing salaries
If someone was hired from a competitor and paid a higher salary?
What benefit does it serve the person making more to share that information? I can only think of negatives.
When I graduated university in 1989 Vancouver was one of the places several of my friends moved as it was the centre of hard rock mining. At the time houses were something like $300k (I don't recall the exact about but probably double or more what they were in Edmonton/Calgary.) We couldn't fathom how anyone could afford to buy a place there or live there. There was no way housing prices could continue increasing, there would have to be a crash eventually. That was 30 some years ago.
I have this conversation every day for 14 years now.
Now I'm going into bidding wars with clients for houses against 21 other people and it's the craziest market I've seen since 2016.
There's ebbs and flows, but the overall trajectory is always been steadily upward. It's a crazy thing.
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If someone was hired from a competitor and paid a higher salary?
What benefit does it serve the person making more to share that information? I can only think of negatives.
That’s because you’ve been conditioned by employers to only see negatives. It’s not your fault you just don’t think it through. In your hypothetical if someone was brought in from a competitor and paid a higher salary then knowing that provides leverage to existing employees when their review comes up. Clearly the job is worth X dollars, my performance is worth that much as well.
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That’s because you’ve been conditioned by employers to only see negatives. It’s not your fault you just don’t think it through. In your hypothetical if someone was brought in from a competitor and paid a higher salary then knowing that provides leverage to existing employees when their review comes up. Clearly the job is worth X dollars, my performance is worth that much as well.
And when they don't get, they leave (which is fine). Or there is animosity. Do both people get the exact same amount of work done? Any other knowledge? Simply doing the same job doesn't warrant the same pay, in a lot of professions.
And when they don't get, they leave (which is fine). Or there is animosity. Do both people get the exact same amount of work done? Any other knowledge? Simply doing the same job doesn't warrant the same pay, in a lot of professions.
As an employer, I love guys like you.
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And when they don't get, they leave (which is fine). Or there is animosity. Do both people get the exact same amount of work done? Any other knowledge? Simply doing the same job doesn't warrant the same pay, in a lot of professions.
These are employer problems not employee problems. The point is to create solidarity with workers by normalizing salaries. An employer will pay you the least possible amount they can to keep you around, if you knows you could get another 20 grand a year you wouldn’t want that?
I mean you don't know anything about me, and you probably wouldn't .
My team can come to me and discuss their compensation if they want, and it could be spurred by discussions with some of their team. But its not going to guide who is getting what in a compensation review.
You mean people who agree with you that avoiding discriminatory employee remuneration shouldn’t be priority as long as the practice is kept under wraps?
Edit: To clarify this isn’t meant as a shot at you sliver, unless of course you weren’t being sarcastic. (You do make it hard to tell sometimes, but I mean that in the best way possible)
Back on topic: Peter12, there’s an iggy_oi in Calgary if that impacts your decision.
I have this conversation every day for 14 years now.
Now I'm going into bidding wars with clients for houses against 21 other people and it's the craziest market I've seen since 2016.
There's ebbs and flows, but the overall trajectory is always been steadily upward. It's a crazy thing.
Interest rates are the main driver right now. I think at one point international investment pushed things up, but then locals buying with cheap cash kept it going.
I recently went to multiple open houses in Vancouver, and there were lineups of local people waiting to see any home of quality. Sure, in certain neighbourhoods you were more likely to see people with their first generation immigrant parents, but at no point did I get the impression it was a temporary boom created by foreign investment, or even investment for that matter. It was all people in their 30-40s looking to buy family homes.
I'm biased, as I just bought in. But I do not see the demand for homes in Vancouver going away any time soon. The prices will be directly linked to the interest rates and how much people can borrow. The adjustment in the post 2016 boom was the adjustment from decreased international investment. Everything since then looks like genuine local demand.
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If you’re serious about having kids, that should be guiding this decision. You don’t have to move to a far-flung suburb, but considerations like schools within walking distance, a back yard, playgrounds, bike paths, etc become important.
And unless you despise your parents and in-laws, having them close at hand when raising a young family is a huge quality of life factor.
I'm late to the party...
Quoted for truth. We moved to Florida simply to be closer to family that we actually enjoyed, even though living in Florida scared the hell out of us. It's been the best decision we could have made. Amazing support network for our kids that gives us time to be adults by ourselves on a regular basis. If that's important to you and your spouse, I'd strongly urge you to be as near as possible to them. Think "Everybody Loves Raymond" close.
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We're not just talking about Calgary. My wife's line of work could easily transfer to a number of American markets. Mine, maybe not as easily, but we are considering a move down south as well.
You could always come to Boca! It's livable like a suburb but very close to enough metropolitan fare that you wouldn't miss it. 30 minutes to decent theatre productions and nightlife. Restaurants in Boca are solid as well, but plenty of good ones in the area. Plus, it's right on the beach.
....but then you'd be adding to the plethora of Northeast Americans moving down here to get away from the very same problems you're describing in the OP, which is driving up the price of our housing, congestion, and overall cost of living.
On second thought, don't come to Boca.
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I have this conversation every day for 14 years now.
Now I'm going into bidding wars with clients for houses against 21 other people and it's the craziest market I've seen since 2016.
There's ebbs and flows, but the overall trajectory is always been steadily upward. It's a crazy thing.
Is this in Vancouver or Calgary? I’m assuming you work in Vancouver.
Small towns will limit you quite drastically on the career front, that's the whole reason I moved to Calgary from my small town in the Okanagan. I'll also provide a flipside anecdote that small towns can end up trapping kids. Hard drug use was rampant in my graduating class simply because there wasn't much else to do, and if you wanted to pursue any kind of university degree or technical training the closest options were Calgary or Vancouver. Most of the people I know from school either left town and are in one of those cities now, or they stayed and started working in the trucking industry. There's also no way I would raise my kids in any of the small towns in Alberta that I've spent time in simply due to the backwards cultural thinking so prevalent in them
For me Calgary is the best option in western Canada to raise a family
That's an interesting point about the limitations of small towns. I too came to Calgary from a small Okanagan town in the early 90's, and most of my high school classmates went to Vancouver and a couple came here. The absolute smartest guy I knew in school (like he knew things that I likely still have no idea about) didn't leave, and ended up working at the Dairyland plant or whatever it was there. He unfortunately ended up taking his life at a house party he was hosting not too many years after graduation. When I found out I couldn't believe it. He was so bright, and maybe he figured this would be all he'd be doing the rest of his life and couldn't fathom it.
Anyways, sorry for the bummer post. When I read this I was reminded of my friend.
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Quoted for truth. We moved to Florida simply to be closer to family that we actually enjoyed, even though living in Florida scared the hell out of us. It's been the best decision we could have made. Amazing support network for our kids that gives us time to be adults by ourselves on a regular basis. If that's important to you and your spouse, I'd strongly urge you to be as near as possible to them. Think "Everybody Loves Raymond" close.
Having Asian in-laws feels like parenting on cheat mode. My wife is Vietnamese, and it's customary for the grandparents to move in for a while to help take care of young kids. She managed to get permanent residency for her parents, and they flew here at the beginning of the month. Once their quarantine ended they were able to look after both kids so my wife could work again full time. It's amazing having that extra help and not having to worry about daycare costs
That's an interesting point about the limitations of small towns. I too came to Calgary from a small Okanagan town in the early 90's, and most of my high school classmates went to Vancouver and a couple came here. The absolute smartest guy I knew in school (like he knew things that I likely still have no idea about) didn't leave, and ended up working at the Dairyland plant or whatever it was there. He unfortunately ended up taking his life at a house party he was hosting not too many years after graduation. When I found out I couldn't believe it. He was so bright, and maybe he figured this would be all he'd be doing the rest of his life and couldn't fathom it.
Anyways, sorry for the bummer post. When I read this I was reminded of my friend.
There's been no suicides to my knowledge from my class, but there have been a couple of deaths due to drunk driving, another issues that seems rampant in smaller towns
That's an interesting point about the limitations of small towns. I too came to Calgary from a small Okanagan town in the early 90's, and most of my high school classmates went to Vancouver and a couple came here. The absolute smartest guy I knew in school (like he knew things that I likely still have no idea about) didn't leave, and ended up working at the Dairyland plant or whatever it was there. He unfortunately ended up taking his life at a house party he was hosting not too many years after graduation. When I found out I couldn't believe it. He was so bright, and maybe he figured this would be all he'd be doing the rest of his life and couldn't fathom it.
Anyways, sorry for the bummer post. When I read this I was reminded of my friend.
Did not grow up in a small town myself, but ended up post-highschool becoming very involved in a couple of small town social groups.
It seemed to be an issue of boredom. It was very easy for kids to slip into a pattern of hanging out with their small group of friends, then having no motivation to do anything but drink/party through their 20s. Things like drug abuse, early/unwanted pregnancy, alcoholism, petty crime, reckless driving, etc..all seemed pretty ubiquitous. Some kids just got jobs at the local plant, mill, etc.. got married very young and were content to stay where they were. Nothing wrong with that choice either, but it took a fair degree of focus to avoid the local traps, and, from my perspective, I would have always wanted to pursue other options.
The same things happens in cities, but it seemed a little easier for kids to get involved in college or more varied job prospects without making a big jump and abandoning their social group.
That being said, some of the most well adjusted and best people I know are from and continue to live in small towns. Many are the people that left for a period and then came back. They can become the best of both worlds. Some degree of experience/worldliness while maintaining the small town non-elitist attitude.
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