Brad Treliving needs to go

[Ashasx]

Well, I think we can all agree that there were many mistakes. Maybe individually they weren't devastating, but the combined impact has been.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I'd agree.

His biggest mistake though IMO, was something he DIDN'T do, which was trade for ROR. I'm like a broken record on this, but it was a huge miss. If he trades for ROR, he doesn't sign Neal and we go into that 1st Peters season with:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - O'Reilly - XXXXX

...and never end up with Lucic.

I think we can tie that Hamonic deal being one of the reasons he couldn’t make that move. The Blues traded a 1st and 2nd as part of the deal to get O’Reilly so the Flames would of had to trade their second consecutive 1st and fourth consecutive 2nd to match the offer.

The Hamonic trade made it harder to trade those picks

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I'd agree.

His biggest mistake though IMO, was something he DIDN'T do, which was trade for ROR. I'm like a broken record on this, but it was a huge miss. If he trades for ROR, he doesn't sign Neal and we go into that 1st Peters season with:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - O'Reilly - XXXXX

...and never end up with Lucic.

At the time ROR was considered too expensive for what he was doing as a checking C, and they were thinking Reinhart might be a bust. I thought you could get ROR/Reinhart for Backlund/Bennett+. Backlund could have done the job was doing at 2/3 the price and Bennett/Reinhart were change of scenery candidates.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, I think we can all agree that there were many mistakes. Maybe individually they weren't devastating, but the combined impact has been.

I think where he excelled was when he sold players and acquired picks and I really really liked the entire Hamilton situation. A great move to acquire him which was an absolute great move for a rebuilding team that had just overachieved by adding a budding star 22 year old right shot D. I then thought he did a great job of trading him along with the last season of Ferland and Fox who wouldn’t sign for 2 former 5th overall picks who were 23 and 21. Hanifin even represented a guy picked in the same draft where we traded a 1st to get Hamilton.

It is basically those 2 trades and his RFA signings that have made me a fan of his. I like that the team is always named when there is a player rumored to be on the market but it has become annoying because he has failed to land that player.

[GranteedEV]

it's just so sad that all the organizational speed we had two years ago - Kylington, Czarnik, Brodie, even Hathaway is no longer on the ice. When we were good under Peters, we were skating teams off the ice. This team right now would probably lose to the Brent Sutter Era Geriatrics

These Leivos, Nordstroms, Nesterovs bring nothing to the table. We've basically become the Dallas Eakins iteration of the Oilers.

Treliving needs to go. Bring in a GM who values speed and skill, not chopping wood and whatever the rest of that quote is.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

it's just so sad that all the organizational speed we had two years ago - Kylington, Czarnik, Brodie, even Hathaway is no longer on the ice. When we were good under Peters, we were skating teams off the ice. This team right now would probably lose to the Brent Sutter Era Geriatrics

There’s maybe two fast forwards and I’m not sure if that’s just in comparison (plus they both are smallish). A bunch of average speed skaters. And there are three forwards who are slow, two of them top liners.

The defence has decent speed, although Gio’s legs are gone.

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Czarnik?!?!?!?!?!?!
I mean we aren't bemoaning the loss of Austin Czarnik are we?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Czarnik?!?!?!?!?!?!
I mean we aren't bemoaning the loss of Austin Czarnik are we?

Czarnik was fast but he sure hated the middle of the ice. If I’m looking at lost speedy depth players - Byron. And I would have liked Reider back.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Czarnik?!?!?!?!?!?!
I mean we aren't bemoaning the loss of Austin Czarnik are we?

we have entered oiler fan territory i fear

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Who are some good GM candidates out there?

I Don't know why I don't hear Dean Lombardi's name out there. He's a top GM in this league. Would blow my top if there was a Lombardi + Sutter hire.

Who knows what this ownership's viewpoints are towards administrative and coaching salaries, but they need to realize that big hires of big names will be needed to energize a fan base if they are looking for people to renew tickets in the spring. These are tiny fractions of the overall budget of the team and can have a huge impact on performance and fan enthusiasm. Hopefully, they get that.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Outside the carousel of coaches, I'd say by far BT's biggest mistake is trading for Hamonic. Completely unnecessary trade even if Hamonic didn't continue to fall off the rails.

Imagine what those pieces could have been used on instead. Essentially gave up what we traded for Hamilton for nothing.

His trading of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is scary.

3rd rounder for Gustafson
1st, 2nd, 2nd for hamonic
3rd for smith
2nd for Lazar
3rd for stone
2nd for Elliott
1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamilton
3rd for bollig

Compare that list to darryl sutter, who gets crucified for his use of picks in trades. Man it was fun as a fan, flames were landing some big name players in their prime there.

3rd for staois
2nd for stralman
3rd for bouwmeester rights
1st for jokinen
2nd for bourque
2nd for tanguay
1st for cammalleri (trading 2nds considered a wash here)
3rd for hale
2nd for Conroy
3rd for lydman
2nd for Nilsson
2nd for kipper

(ignoring other pieces involved in these trades)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, I think we can all agree that there were many mistakes. Maybe individually they weren't devastating, but the combined impact has been.

He's in his 7th year as GM and the team hasn't won a single playoff round since his first season where he inherited the coach and team. That's grounds for dismissal in itself.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

His trading of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is scary.

3rd rounder for Gustafson
1st, 2nd, 2nd for hamonic
3rd for smith
2nd for Lazar
3rd for stone
2nd for Elliott
2nd for hudler
1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamilton
3rd for bollig

Compare that list to darryl sutter, who gets crucified for his use of picks in trades. Man it was fun as a fan, flames were landing some big name players in their prime there.

3rd for staois
2nd for stralman
3rd for bouwmeester rights
1st for jokinen
2nd for bourque
2nd for tanguay
1st for cammalleri (trading 2nds considered a wash here)
3rd for hale
2nd for Conroy
3rd for lydman
2nd for Nilsson
2nd for kipper

(ignoring other pieces involved in these trades)

He traded Hudler for a 2nd not a 2nd for Hudler

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Czarnik?!?!?!?!?!?!
I mean we aren't bemoaning the loss of Austin Czarnik are we?

Our 5v5 forecheck was probably at its best when Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik and Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway were our bottom lines (and Neal was out with an injury).

The team Tre put together this year literally has nothing. We cross our fingers when guys like Nordstrom and Leivo are out there. Dube is not really the waterbug he looked like in the playoffs either. Mangiapane's replaced Frolik, but no one's replaced Mangiapane.

[Jiri Hrdina]

There's a little bit of editorializing there.
He didn't trade a 3rd for Toni. He traded Toni for a 3rd (yuck)
He didn't trade a 2nd for Anton Stralman. He had to use the 2nd to get them to take Wayne Primeau, and then promptly traded Stralman for a third (also yuck)

Sutter's early years as a GM were strong. He then dumped quality players for bad return because they didn't fit his approach, drafted poorly and made a bunch of bad deals.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's in his 7th year as GM and the team hasn't won a single playoff round since his first season where he inherited the coach and team. That's grounds for dismissal in itself.

Yeah. I think I am there. I’ve seen everything I need to see.

He says the buck stops with him. Off he goes

[Manhattanboy]

I’m on the bandwagon to fire the GM and the entire coaching staff.

And no I don’t want Conroy promoted.

We don’t need continuity. Time for outside expertise to be brought in.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I’m on the bandwagon to fire the GM and the entire coaching staff.

And no I don’t want Conroy promoted.

We don’t need continuity. Time for outside expertise to be brought in.

Looking at these next 5 games, this team probably needs to go at least 3-1-1 to keep its head above water.

Otherwise, this season is a complete writeoff and you go ahead and pull the trigger on cleaning house. At that point it comes down to whether or not ownership is willing to do the right thing, or whether they just want to keep the abysmal status quo going.

[Mr.Coffee]

It’s time. Sorry Brad. You can’t have a team not care for this long in a Canadian market.

People can tell if the guys are trying or not. Enough.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Who are some good GM candidates out there?

I personally would like to see the Flames follow the Maple Leafs model. If Conroy wants that Shanahan role, cool, he probably has more NHL feel than these Maloney/Treliving types. His job would be to bring in a Dubas type wunderkind doing impressive work at lower levels who has fresh ideas and isn't mired in age old biases. He brings in some temporary experience to be that Lamiorello and Babcock for us, it could be Lombardi and Sutter, no big deal, but the emphasis is on a short transition period.