Habs sack Julien, Muller - Ducharme named Interim Coach

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Bringing in both Hartley and Roy would be pretty fun to watch.

Bob coached Roy. They both are a little wingy. Roy’s return to Montreal would be a huge thing.

Realistically, I think they're going to stick with Ducharme for a while. Guy won a Mem Cup (albeit with MacKinnon) and WJC Gold (albeit for Canada on his second attempt) so he's already more accomplished than, say, any coach in the Flames organization.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Realistically, I think they're going to stick with Ducharme for a while. Guy won a Mem Cup (albeit with MacKinnon) and WJC Gold (albeit for Canada on his second attempt) so he's already more accomplished than, say, any coach in the Flames organization.

Brent Sutter-lite

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Brent Sutter-lite

Well, they're not locked to him long term. But I figure he'll get a look as an interim.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1364604082405707778

Thats hilarious.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats hilarious.

What would Montreal's centre-depth look like if they had drafted Brady Tkachuk instead of Jesper Kotkaniemi?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What would Montreal's centre-depth look like if they had drafted Brady Tkachuk instead of Jesper Kotkaniemi?

Yeah, but what is Kotkaniemi?

Tkachuk is a difference maker.

Drafting for positional need over best player available, and Brady was and is that, was a bad move by Montreal - just like it was when Vancouver took Juolevi over Matthew.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but what is Kotkaniemi?

Tkachuk is a difference maker.

Drafting for positional need over best player available, and Brady was and is that, was a bad move by Montreal - just like it was when Vancouver took Juolevi over Matthew.

Oh, I agree with you. I am just musing about how much worse the Canadiens could be by even further weakening them at their most critically weak position.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What would Montreal's centre-depth look like if they had drafted Brady Tkachuk instead of Jesper Kotkaniemi?

they probably don't do the Domi for Anderson trade

Danault
Suzuki
Domi

So do you like Kotkaniemi and Anderson, or Tkachuk and Domi? (I'll take door #2)

[cowtown75]

Julien's contract is 5 million. This is really all a non-starter. Calgary does not spend big money on head coaches and only paying Ward 900K this year and next. Besides not wanting to pay Peter's AND Ward to not even be coaching would be embarrassing for the team and BT. Worst case scenario where it gets really bad under Ward and he needs to go, expect Huska and Edwards to finish off the season. There will be no new outside coach hired unless they can bring back Darryl on a bargain bin deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

they probably don't do the Domi for Anderson trade

Danault
Suzuki
Domi

So do you like Kotkaniemi and Anderson, or Tkachuk and Domi? (I'll take door #2)

Yeah, good call. I certainly stick with the latter.

... in semi-related news, Josh Anderson has but one assist in his last five games. I am still pretty sceptical that that contract of his is going to be good value at any point in its term.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Julien's contract is 5 million. This is really all a non-starter. Calgary does not spend big money on head coaches and only paying Ward 900K this year and next. Besides not wanting to pay Peter's AND Ward to not even be coaching would be embarrassing for the team and BT. Worst case scenario where it gets really bad under Ward and he needs to go, expect Huska and Edwards to finish off the season. There will be no new outside coach hired unless they can bring back Darryl on a bargain bin deal.

You likely don't need to offer anywhere near $5M.

Montreal is paying it anyway, so they are probably happy if another team will pick up $1 or $2M of it.

The question is: would Julien take a rest-of-season job to see if he is a good fit with the new team?

[DeluxeMoustache]

A Montreal coach landing in Calgary?

As if. They are in the same division now. That’s be like a Montreal picking up a coach from their normal division rival Boston

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Montreal is paying it anyway, so they are probably happy if another team will pick up $1 or $2M of it.

Depends on the terms of the contract. Is it possible that Montreal stops paying him altogether if he takes a head coaching job elsewhere in the NHL before his term is up?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You likely don't need to offer anywhere near $5M.

Montreal is paying it anyway, so they are probably happy if another team will pick up $1 or $2M of it.

The question is: would Julien take a rest-of-season job to see if he is a good fit with the new team?

Not sure MTL is concerned about the money as much as making the playoffs (and at this moment in time CGY is the team most likely to knock them out)

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Depends on the terms of the contract. Is it possible that Montreal stops paying him altogether if he takes a head coaching job elsewhere in the NHL before his term is up?

Generally not how it works...the teams negotiate a bit, but generally the old team is just off the hook for about as much as the new team pays.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1364604082405707778

Where was Kotkaniemienaiineimemaeimi supposed to be drafted? I recall he was a bit off the board.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You likely don't need to offer anywhere near $5M.

Montreal is paying it anyway, so they are probably happy if another team will pick up $1 or $2M of it.

The question is: would Julien take a rest-of-season job to see if he is a good fit with the new team?

Not sure how that would work to be honest. I know his contract is guaranteed so he basically kick up his heels and collect. That being said, next year, even if he takes a discount to say 4 million, I think it's a non starter for the Flames so what is really the point of seeing if there is a fit for a million ? tough one.

I have always wondered how team's allocate coaching money.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Not sure how that would work to be honest. I know his contract is guaranteed so he basically kick up his heels and collect. That being said, next year, even if he takes a discount to say 4 million, I think it's a non starter for the Flames so what is really the point of seeing if there is a fit for a million ? tough one.

I have always wondered how team's allocate coaching money.

I had thought this was the last year of his contract but, yeah, he has 21-22 as well.

I’m not sure if there is a standard for coaching contracts. But employment contracts in general have several different potential outcomes. There might be a provision for early termination payment. Or to present value the future salary and he gets a lump sum. If it was just his regularly schedules salary, his new job salary would be deducted as a mitigation of loss.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1364604082405707778

[Enoch Root]

I am sure that if the Flames offered to pay $2M (prorated) this year, and $3M next year, that Montreal would take that (that would cut their dead weight cost in half).

Whether Julien would, is another matter.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

Where was Kotkaniemienaiineimemaeimi supposed to be drafted? I recall he was a bit off the board.

He was ranked lower overall by most (but TSN had him number 2). But he was among the highest ranked Cs IIRC. Unusual, and I guess the Habs drafted for position.