2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[2macinnis2]

Was just watching Dave Pagnotta on NHL Network. He’s speculating that if things don’t change on both ends that Flames would potentially be in on Eichel. He says it’s more of an off-season type move but if there is daylight I would NOT hesitate if I’m BT. No one on the roster is untouchable to make that happen, and I would be adding in picks and probably even be willing to take Skinner contract on.

[AC]

Originally Posted by 2macinnis2

Was just watching Dave Pagnotta on NHL Network. He’s speculating that if things don’t change on both ends that Flames would potentially be in on Eichel. He says it’s more of an off-season type move but if there is daylight I would NOT hesitate if I’m BT. No one on the roster is untouchable to make that happen, and I would be adding in picks and probably even be willing to take Skinner contract on.

Eichel would be an amazing add. The issues becomes acquiring him without essentially recreating the Sabres here. Gutting the team in order to put Eichel in a similar situation isn't going to produce better results.

Keeping an elite goalie in Markstrom would absolutely be key.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by AC

Eichel would be an amazing add. The issues becomes acquiring him without essentially recreating the Sabres here. Gutting the team in order to put Eichel in a similar situation isn't going to produce better results.

Keeping an elite goalie in Markstrom would absolutely be key.

Well I would guess it would be one of the top 2 Flames centermen, one of the top two wingers, high pick(s) and maybe a top D? I’m not sure what exact value is. If you take on Skinner that probably helps mitigate but boy that contract is atrocious.

Either way, there are still good players left (another top 2 center and 1st line winger), and you need to believe in your scouts etc to draft later well to fill a strong roster. And yes you keep a solid goalie in Markstrom.

[howard_the_duck]

I can't see Flames ownership letting BT dangle the required assets to acquire Eichel. It re-routes what could otherwise be a rebuild.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by AC

Eichel would be an amazing add. The issues becomes acquiring him without essentially recreating the Sabres here. Gutting the team in order to put Eichel in a similar situation isn't going to produce better results.

Keeping an elite goalie in Markstrom would absolutely be key.

I think keeping Lindholm, Valimaki and Andersson would be the most important pieces for me. It would also be ideal to retain Gadureau to play on Eichels wing - assuming he is willing to re-sign.

Markstrom has a full NMC so I’m not concerned about him.

I love a lot of the other players but I’m sick of this crap and am now fine with major change.

It would break my heart to see any of those 3 Scandinavian beauties traded however. Dube and Mangiapane aren’t far behind.

[djsFlames]

I would not take Skinner on because that kills your roster flexibility later on and we're not trying to build a cap structure like edmonton where you're filling your support pieces out with cheap or entry level guys.

I would trade 2 of our top forwards for him though and add a pick.

I think that's worth it in the long run. A high end center in his prime is what wins you playoff game matchups, and why we've been beat in recent years.

[bluejays]

There is no way the Skinner contract should be taken on for any player in the league. You could get Crosby or McDavid and there's no way you take on ANOTHER long term contract for a guy who's having trouble staying in the lineup. Imagine >10% of your cap, handicapping you, between Lucic and Skinner, for years. One is enough, to have two would be a death blow.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Yeah, you can't have Skinner and Lucic on the same roster regardless of who else is on it. Could you imagine having $14.5M in dead cap space AND having to play those two? Wouldn't have to worry about Ward or Treliving forcing the talent out of town.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m of the belief that most systems work if the players commit. Some may be better suited than others to personnel, but few teams have one style of player anyway. I mean, did Babcock really have less talented guys in Toronto than Detroit? Or did the Toronto guys just not buy in?

And by this I don’t excuse the coach because they need to sell the system to the players.

Both the Leafs and Wings have / had better high end horses than the Flames ever will in this current cycle and are / were before a more desirable FA and grey beard destination. Who knows if Babcock really had to do anything or if the HoF team just ran it for him. We dont have a HoF team or even a Top 5 skill team. Is it just buy in or is it a combination of buy in, square peg round hole, lack of high end talent and IQ. This team isnt skilled enough and doesnt have high enough IQ to be shoe horned into any system and succeed imo.

When your a 1B roster and a 2 tier living destination you need to be more creative and get good at something. They aren't hard to play against. They aren't suffocating on D. Half the supporting cast I would describe as being on the slower side currently. We aren't beating teams on pure skill and IQ that much is for certain (although they keep being quoted in the media as thinking they can just come back whenever). So either support Johnny, Dube etc. ,the horses you have with more speed to play their game or get guys that play this Coyote ugly 2012 style you want (not saying I want it).

Ward could come out tomorrow and say guys I admit it I don't know what i'm doing and start coaching them to play like Peters and then they get exposed again by faster teams in the PO until they commit to the personnel to match the system. They need a proven Motivator for a Coach (Not Ward) with a system that's tailored to the star hand they were dealt or trade them for ones that fit and supported by players that work in the system they want to play imo.

[genetic_phreek]

I'd be curious, if the value to get Eichel is super super high, adding Skinner would be negative value, I almost wonder how much negative value that would to be in a position to give up less to acquire Eichel.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Both the Leafs and Wings have better high end horses than the Flames ever will be in this current cycle and are / were before a more desirable FA and grey beard destination. Who knows if Babcock really had to do anything or if the HoF team just ran it for him. We dont have a HoF team or even a Top 5 skill team. Is it just buy in or is it a combination of buy in, square peg round hole, lack of high end talent and IQ. This team isnt skilled enough and doesnt have high enough IQ to be shoe horned into any system and succeed imo.

When your a 1B roster and a 2 tier living destination you need to be more creative and get good at something. They aren't hard to play against. They aren't suffocating on D. Half the supporting cast I would describe as being on the slower side currently. We aren't beating teams on pure skill and IQ that much is for certain (although they keep being quoted in the media is thinking they can just come back whenever). So either support Johnny, Dube etc. ,the horses you have with more speed to play their game or get guys that play this Coyote ugly 2012 style you want (not saying I want it).

Ward could come out tomorrow and say guys I admit it I don't know what i'm doing and start coaching them to play like Peters and then they get exposed again by faster teams in the PO until they commit to the personnel to match the system. They need a proven Motivator for a Coach (Not Ward) with a system that's tailored to the star hand they were dealt or trade them for ones that fit and supported by players that work in the system they want to play imo.

I’m not comparing the Flames to either the Wings or the Leafs. I’m saying Babcock went from a genius to a stiff by changing teams. Pre-Leaf Babcock is what fans here are asking for. There are definitely seasoned coaches that have been hired and taken their success to new teams - Trotz, Q, Sutter, Torts, Vigneault and Boudreau to a degree. There are also newbies with little or no experience that work out fine - Cooper, Sullivan. And guys who have been career ACs who get some success like Bowness. Or guys like Gallant who had terrible records and suddenly strike gold with a particular team.

The point I agree with is that, for whatever reason, Ward can’t get them to play his system, whether that system is right or wrong.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m not comparing the Flames to either the Wings or the Leafs. I’m saying Babcock went from a genius to a stiff by changing teams. Pre-Leaf Babcock is what fans here are asking for. There are definitely seasoned coaches that have been hired and taken their success to new teams - Trotz, Q, Sutter, Torts, Vigneault and Boudreau to a degree. There are also newbies with little or no experience that work out fine - Cooper, Sullivan. And guys who have been career ACs who get some success like Bowness. Or guys like Gallant who had terrible records and suddenly strike gold with a particular team.

The point I agree with is that, for whatever reason, Ward can’t get them to play his system, whether that system is right or wrong.

Yea I wish we knew and could say definitively if its the chicken or egg here. All I can say is Ward ain't it so I agree on that much. Give a proven winner motivational style Coach a shot first before we anoint them coach killers (not necessarily pointed at you). Support the core with guys with the style they think they can be successful in. Then we know the players will buy in... Give them the rest of the year. If it don't look like its working we get a top 5 pick and we know the core is rotten. Then we go from there lol. Remove all doubt that its the Coach or the system. Easier to do that first then blow it up. If it truly is Chucky on the opposite side I dont know which horse you bet on? Who is actually going to re-sign ?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Yea I wish we knew and could say definitively if its the chicken or egg here. All I can say is Ward ain't it so I agree on that much. Give a proven winner motivational style Coach a shot first before we anoint them coach killers (not necessarily pointed at you). Support the core with guys with the style they think they can be successful in. Then we know the players will buy in... Give them the rest of the year. If it don't look like its working we get a top 5 pick and we know the core is rotten. Then we go from there lol. Remove all doubt that its the Coach or the system. Easier to do that first then blow it up. If it truly is Chucky on the opposite side I dont know which horse you bet on? Who is actually going to re-sign ?

The one thing a well known (and maybe expensive) coach does - it tells the players they aren’t going to win the next coach-player power struggle.

[djsFlames]

What also is enticing is the fact that Eichel could steal some of the storylines from SNET panel's gawking segments that are usually reserved for McDavid even on non BOA nights.

Making game viewing experiences more palatable is also an upside to this.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I'd be curious, if the value to get Eichel is super super high, adding Skinner would be negative value, I almost wonder how much negative value that would to be in a position to give up less to acquire Eichel.

That's a good question. A $9 million cap hit until 2027 is crippling so taking that deal means the Sabres will have to give up a lot to take it. Not sure how you balance that with Eichel but Lucic would have to go the other way for sure.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What also is enticing is the fact that Eichel could steal some of the storylines from SNET panel's gawking segments that are usually reserved for McDavid even on non BOA nights.

Making game viewing experiences more palatable is also an upside to this.

That’s another perk of Eichel. It would put the the BoA on another level. And, we’d be a much more talked about team.

[GioforPM]

Monahan and Hanifin for Eichel. If they want Lindholm instead fine.

[Poe969]

The only way you take Skinner is if there is going to be a compliance buyout in the offseason

[ForeverFlameFan]

Just take Eichel and Okposo back. Don’t take Skinner. We’ll just have two expensive 4th line wingers for the last two years.

[djsFlames]

I would do Lindholm and Hanifin (+ pick), as difficult as it would be, I think that's a worthy package given the players and their respective contracts. Extremely good value.

Treliving turns Hamilton into Eichel, upholds his wizard rank.

Our center depth becomes top tier.