Blow it up!

[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by stamps

I predict the Flames win 5 of the next 6 ..

You really think they will win one game against the Leafs in the back to back? Doubt it.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Murray Edwards has his way...which it looks like he does.

I have a hard time blaming Murray without more information. We are a cap team in a no revenue year that is paying something like 3.5M+ for head coaches. Also based on the media reports of Tre's last contract negotiation, Tre has significant latitude. I don't mind the team that was assembled on paper. Hate the coach, hate the decision to keep him based on Dallas going far, hate the fact that this team fades into the night because the edge this team has is not called upon. You don't think that if Sutter was pissed off and lined up: Robinson, Rinaldo, Bennett, Tkachuck, Tanev, Andersson, Ritchie and a few others that the BOA sparks wouldn't fly??

Love Gelinas/Conroy...but these were not the guy that lit the fuse for the flames. In the hate games like the Ducks it was guys like Berube and the infamous puck over the glass by Lowry that kept the battle going. If I remember that game correctly...Conroy was the last guy sitting on the Bench in that Ducks game...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I have a hard time blaming Murray without more information. We are a cap team in a no revenue year that is paying something like 3.5M+ for head coaches. Also based on the media reports of Tre's last contract negotiation, Tre has significant latitude. I don't mind the team that was assembled on paper. Hate the coach, hate the decision to keep him based on Dallas going far, hate the fact that this team fades into the night because the edge this team has is not called upon. You don't think that if Sutter was pissed off and lined up: Robinson, Rinaldo, Bennett, Tkachuck, Tanev, Andersson, Ritchie and a few others that the BOA sparks wouldn't fly??

Love Gelinas/Conroy...but these were not the guy that lit the fuse for the flames. In the hate games like the Ducks it was guys like Berube and the infamous puck over the glass by Lowry that kept the battle going. If I remember that game correctly...Conroy was the last guy sitting on the Bench in that Ducks game...

Agree with your point about those guys not being the guys who light the fuse but I am pretty sure Kravchuk had his ass stapled to the bench in that Anaheim game.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Does eating 1.5 million on Johnny get you an extra first rounder or an additional top end prospect do it. A team like Philly may throw in Farabee, Frost and a 1st at that price.

On Trading JG - Yeah, we may want to move him, but it takes 2 to tango, and I don't see PHI having any interest, especially at that price. Take a look at the standings - PHI is rolling along. Why would they move their second leading goal scorer plus their top center prospect for JG?? makes no sense.

Just because JG may want to play in PHI doesn't mean CGY has to trade him there. We need a trading partner who thinks JG could make some of their guys better. I would be hammering the NJD - JH would fit nicely on wing with Hughes or Hischier; we could get a big young center back (Zacha), a couple of picks, and some cap space.

Forget PHI. Forget a huge return on JG.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I have a hard time blaming Murray without more information. We are a cap team in a no revenue year that is paying something like 3.5M+ for head coaches. Also based on the media reports of Tre's last contract negotiation, Tre has significant latitude. I don't mind the team that was assembled on paper. Hate the coach, hate the decision to keep him based on Dallas going far, hate the fact that this team fades into the night because the edge this team has is not called upon. You don't think that if Sutter was pissed off and lined up: Robinson, Rinaldo, Bennett, Tkachuck, Tanev, Andersson, Ritchie and a few others that the BOA sparks wouldn't fly??

Love Gelinas/Conroy...but these were not the guy that lit the fuse for the flames. In the hate games like the Ducks it was guys like Berube and the infamous puck over the glass by Lowry that kept the battle going. If I remember that game correctly...Conroy was the last guy sitting on the Bench in that Ducks game...

Spending to the cap is great and a necessity but a true patience rebuild is also a necessity in my eyes. Until then barring some miracle we will likely be the same team we've been for the past 30 years.

[CroCop]

Anyone else interested in a poll on this subject?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

On Trading JG - Yeah, we may want to move him, but it takes 2 to tango, and I don't see PHI having any interest, especially at that price. Take a look at the standings - PHI is rolling along. Why would they move their second leading goal scorer plus their top center prospect for JG?? makes no sense.

Just because JG may want to play in PHI doesn't mean CGY has to trade him there. We need a trading partner who thinks JG could make some of their guys better. I would be hammering the NJD - JH would fit nicely on wing with Hughes or Hischier; we could get a big young center back (Zacha), a couple of picks, and some cap space.

Forget PHI. Forget a huge return on JG.

Philly was just a random team but I think the return on Johnny, especially if we are willing to eat some money will be surprising. I would be fine with Jersey, I would target Holtz given the number of Swedes we have, along with Foote and picks. Given their stockpile of prospects and how they have not had much success for a decent amount of time I would take Zajac off their hands and eat Johnny salary if it meant a better package. Something like Holtz, Foote, 2021 first and Zajac for a 5.25 million dollar Johnny and a 1.8 million Derek Ryan to replace Zajac is something I would definitely look at. Jersey is likely a better trading partner given their prospect pool and their salary cap flexibility next year, they could legitimately put together a contender next year.

Zacha would be fine but I would target Holtz.

[codynw]

I've been pretty much over the team's current "core" for a while. The only players I see worth keeping are Valimaki, Markstrom, Tkachuk, Dube, Mangiapane, Lindholm and Andersson. Giordano I guess too, just because he's near retirement and I'd love for him to be a single franchise guy, but he's not someone I'd rely on to be a big part of the future at this point.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

At this point, and it is easy for me to say because it is not my money, if they are not making the dance this year I would eat salary and see if you can get a better return

Does a 4.5 million dollar a year Gio for the playoffs and one more year get you a 1st and a top prospect? Do it if it does as you can make that move to a contender who may want to make a run this year and have Gio at that price available for the expansion draft. A team like Florida who has not won in a long time may be interested in him at that price for Tippett and a 1st or 2nd.

Does eating 1.5 million on Johnny get you an extra first rounder or an additional top end prospect do it. A team like Philly may throw in Farabee, Frost and a 1st at that price.

Not sure you would want to eat salary with Monahan as there is an extra year, but move him too. If you are going with Lindholm and Backlund down the middle, coupled with the likelihood that you are picking up probably a couple centers in the 18-23 age range there is no room for him.

It is one additional year of mediocrity but if you add two additional assets for eating 3 or 4 million of salary you may end up with 6-8 decent prospects in the 18-23 year old range that can compliment Dube, Mangiapane, Valimaki, Anderson, Pelletier, Hanifin, Tkachuk. If you team is any good in 2 years you can repackage some of the assets you acquired for the veteran or two you think you need to make a run.

No way in hell Gio gets a first and a top prospect, even if you retain salary.
He's really old and played really poorly since winning the Norris.
One of the two, maybe. But he appears washed up.

[Roof-Daddy]

This team is so screwed this year. They get gradually worse against teams the more they play them. The other teams make adjustments and the Flames don't answer that. A product of poor coaching, plus a mentally fragile team that loses all its confidence and has no fight in them.

In a season where they play the same 6 teams 9 or 10 times each, it's probably going to get very ugly.

[442scotty]

Losing all 4 games in the road trip is very probable and should be the final nail in the coaching coffin if it hasn’t already been hammered in.

[Two Fivenagame]

Agree with the upcoming 5-6 wins.

They do this every year. Stink the place out to start the season and then win 6 or 7 in a row. Finish up the season win-one lose-one and limp into the playoffs, achieving the bare minimum.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This team is so screwed this year. They get gradually worse against teams the more they play them. The other teams make adjustments and the Flames don't answer that. A product of poor coaching, plus a mentally fragile team that loses all its confidence and has no fight in them.

In a season where they play the same 6 teams 9 or 10 times each, it's probably going to get very ugly.

Could not agree more with this.

[dirk diggler]

The Flames will win 8 in a row at the end of the year to play themselves out of a good lottery pick. what a mentally weak, non competing team this is.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This team is so screwed this year. They get gradually worse against teams the more they play them. The other teams make adjustments and the Flames don't answer that. A product of poor coaching, plus a mentally fragile team that loses all its confidence and has no fight in them.

In a season where they play the same 6 teams 9 or 10 times each, it's probably going to get very ugly.

One hundred percent. How did they not see this in the playoffs in the bubble? Same story.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

The Flames will win 8 in a row at the end of the year to play themselves out of a good lottery pick. what a mentally weak, non competing team this is.

What I actually see happening is the Flames finally winning a draft lottery and end up picking a dud because they can't scout properly this year. Most Flames thing that could ever happen.

[Poe969]

The Flames will get a high pick and draft Eklund and he'll obviously be a bust.

[PaperBagger'14]

I dont want a rebuild again. Its simple, I dont see anything positive to come from it.

When I joined this board, we were beginning our rebuild. We tore the old guard down, traded off all of our assets for futures and were fully expecting to suck for 3+ years. What did we get out of that?

The Bouwmeester and Iginla trades were big fat flops, our highest draft pick in that era will never be a top line player on a contender, and we had a few saving grace mid round picks. This is all on management and has shown how incompetent they have been. I have 0 faith that this group should be leading the flames, from the owners to the coaching staff, especially through a rebuild. #### Treliving for handcuffing us to Ward and Gulutzan.

The only difference between now and 2013 is that I actually was sad to see Iggy leave. If we blew this team up, I couldn't give 2 ####s less about any singular player on this team. The only reason I wouldn't blow it up is that everyone leading them sucks at their job.

[Roof-Daddy]

Remember when we optimistically tried to draw comparison's between our budding young core and the Hawks core that won multiple cups?

lmao

Pepperidge farm remembers.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Remember when we optimistically tried to draw comparison's between our budding young core and the Hawks core that won multiple cups?

lmao

Pepperidge farm remembers.

Monahan and Gaudreau put this team on their back at 20 and 21 respectively and carried this team to the playoffs after Gio went down in the midst of what would have been a Norris season. They then won a round and followed up the next year with strong offensive numbers. It definitely had a Toews-Kane vibe.

It seemed like we were vindicated as fans during the 18/19 season where Monahan and Gaudreau both paced at over 100pts more than halfway through the season. Whatever happened on the bye week has had this team never looking the same again.