The Deal With Geoff Ward

[Moneyhands23]

I wonder when craig Conroy will start being an assistant on the bench

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I wonder when craig Conroy will start being an assistant on the bench

Iggy and Conny behind the bench?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

we also used to both (wrongfully) agree on prospect Mark Jankowski having top 9 potential

I haven't given up!

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Iggy and Conny behind the bench?

No, just no. We make fun of the Oilers for decisions like that.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

No, just no. We make fun of the Oilers for decisions like that.

..we’re already there.

Gelinas is on the bench. Conroy is an AGM.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I haven't given up!

maybe as a winger

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

..we’re already there.

Gelinas is on the bench. Conroy is an AGM.

Partly, sure. But you never go full Oiler.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

..we’re already there.

Gelinas is on the bench. Conroy is an AGM.

Yeah but Oiler style would be Conroy as the GM and Gelinas as the head coach

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

No, just no. We make fun of the Oilers for decisions like that.

Was not serious but you have to think Iggy will be an NHL coach one day.

Not sure what skills Conroy would have as a coach if any.

[Royle9]

Just about every post game presser with Geoff you know he's not taking any responsibility.



Thanks but no thanks Wardo.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Remember the “In Sutter we trust” signs in 2004?

If anybody cared the closest I could see is “#### Ward. I’ve seen enough. It’s futile”

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Was not serious but you have to think Iggy will be an NHL coach one day.

Not sure what skills Conroy would have as a coach if any.

What skills would Iggy have? Great players become great coaches sometimes. Or really bad ones. There seems to be no correlation. A hell of a lot more role players become good coaches. And a lot of non-players.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What skills would Iggy have? Great players become great coaches sometimes. Or really bad ones. There seems to be no correlation. A hell of a lot more role players become good coaches. And a lot of non-players.

The likelihood of Iggy being an above average head coach is higher than that of Ward doing so.

Good enough for me. Would prefer someone more likely, but they may be a threat to Tre.

[nik-]

I think a franchise with the success record of the Flames should stay as far away from hiring former members of the organization into management roles as possible.

This franchise needs the Costanza approach at this point.

[Madrox]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The likelihood of Iggy being an above average head coach is higher than that of Ward doing so.

Good enough for me. Would prefer someone more likely, but they may be a threat to Tre.

I don't know that there's any truth to that. Iggy, at least based on history, isn't likely to be a good coach. Most good coaches are guys that were almost good enough, or guys that had to work their nuts off to be in the league. Gretzky's the easiest example, he couldn't understand why guys couldn't do what he wanted them to. The guys who are the best coaches are the guys who had to work the hardest to have a chance, because they already had to study the game to even be in the conversation.

Boudreau played parts of 15 years in the minors, Gallant was more or less a grinder with a few solid years in the middle, Tortorella was in the precursor to the ECHL for a half dozen years after college, Quennville was a defensive defenceman in the most offensive period in hockey (you damn near had to try to not score more than 30 points in the early to mid 80s), and Trotz as far as I can tell never played beyond Juniors.

I don't know any top coaches that were also top players, because the guys that had it naturally come to them could never help the guys who didn't. I'd wager of all the great Flames in my lifetime, Mark Giordano is the only one who has a hope in hell of being a great coach, because he had to work his nuts off for every chance he got. Gelinas definitely had talent, but he also had to work and learn, so he might not be half bad. Geoff Ward, well, he doesn't have any history as a player, which is irrelevant until he sucks. He may suck.

[Roof-Daddy]

I've been such a huge fan of Treliving, but him sticking with Ward after that playoff debacle last season made me question it.

Now seeing how it's progressing this season just makes me SMH.

[Roof-Daddy]

Geoff Ward will likely be the SEVENTH straight head coach the Flames hired who, after being let go by the Flames (eventually), will never be a head coach in the NHL again.

Since Darryl Sutter.

Playfair
Keenan
Brent Sutter
Hartley
Gulutzan
Peters
Ward

And this is the org that before Darryl came in and saved us had a string of coaches that included Page, Gilbert and Hay.


What a #### show. A multi decade long #### show.

[ComixZone]

Gulutzan, Peters, Ward.

You want to get fired? That’s how you get fired.

...or at least it should get you fired.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Madrox

I don't know that there's any truth to that. Iggy, at least based on history, isn't likely to be a good coach. Most good coaches are guys that were almost good enough, or guys that had to work their nuts off to be in the league. Gretzky's the easiest example, he couldn't understand why guys couldn't do what he wanted them to. The guys who are the best coaches are the guys who had to work the hardest to have a chance, because they already had to study the game to even be in the conversation.

Boudreau played parts of 15 years in the minors, Gallant was more or less a grinder with a few solid years in the middle, Tortorella was in the precursor to the ECHL for a half dozen years after college, Quennville was a defensive defenceman in the most offensive period in hockey (you damn near had to try to not score more than 30 points in the early to mid 80s), and Trotz as far as I can tell never played beyond Juniors.

I don't know any top coaches that were also top players, because the guys that had it naturally come to them could never help the guys who didn't. I'd wager of all the great Flames in my lifetime, Mark Giordano is the only one who has a hope in hell of being a great coach, because he had to work his nuts off for every chance he got. Gelinas definitely had talent, but he also had to work and learn, so he might not be half bad. Geoff Ward, well, he doesn't have any history as a player, which is irrelevant until he sucks. He may suck.

Larry Robinson won a cup as a last minute replacement and then went to the Finals the next year. But then he sort of petered out as a head coach and became a long time AC. He’s the only guy in the modern era who was even close to Iginla’s level and became a successful coach that I can think of.

Carlyle was a good player. So were Ruff and Tocchet. But not elite.

The list of players who got HC gigs based a lot on their rep as a top player and who failed is longer. Gretzky, Roy (but he did a while in junior), Delvecchio, Ftorek. The list of great coaches who never played at all at the NHL level is way longer.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

No, just no. We make fun of the Oilers for decisions like that.

Because of who they choose. Nobody is suggesting to bring back Dion Phaneuf and Rhett Warrener as head office members.