[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who has outscored SB over the last two seasons despite far less games. Leivo isn't in my avatar...I agree he sucks too.

Dude. Given my username, why do you really think Bennett is my avatar?

I’m embarrassed for you that I have to ask

Data point: my account and username predate that player

[Strange Brew]

I think Ward is in over his head and handled the Bennett situation like an absolute rookie, particularly with the comment about Sam choosing his position. That was asinine.

But I’m not buying the story that Bennett’s feelings aren’t exactly in line with what his agent is saying. Show me some evidence that his agent is acting against his wishes before making that claim.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But I’m not buying the story that Bennett’s feelings aren’t exactly in line with what his agent is saying. Show me some evidence that his agent is acting against his wishes before making that claim.

I think at the end of the day, however Bennett does or doesn't feel, it's still an uninformed statement to say he asked for a trade. We do not know that, one way or the other.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Sandman

How come nobody is talking about the three players that were within arm's reach of PoolParty on the first goal? They just stood there like scarecrows, and watched him score right from in front of the net. Ritchie was one of them, not sure who the other 2 were. Were those three players benched?

Far worse than what Bennett did.

The thumbnail of the video makes it look worse but all five Flames were right there. Gio left the front of the next to try and block the pass. He could have just stayed with Puljujarvi.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dude. Given my username, why do you really think Bennett is my avatar?

I’m embarrassed for you that I have to ask

Data point: my account and username predate that player

Ha I keep getting #### for this too.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think Ward is in over his head and handled the Bennett situation like an absolute rookie, particularly with the comment about Sam choosing his position. That was asinine.

But I’m not buying the story that Bennett’s feelings aren’t exactly in line with what his agent is saying. Show me some evidence that his agent is acting against his wishes before making that claim.

It’s not about what Bennett feels, though.

He is reasonable if he is frustrated, given how his work last playoffs, and the Flames’ subsequent lip service, translated in to opportunity this season
He is reasonable if his agent during a conversation became aware that he was open to different options if the Flames had no plan for his career advancement

The counter to your statement is to take that reasonable context and prove to me that he advised his agent to pick up Friedman’s call and go public with something that was apparently news to Treliving

Maybe Bennett was frustrated enough to be okay with his agent advocating for him

But as for how the agent goes about it?

This is a situation where people are placing their own goalposts for sure, then building their indignance based on the placing of their own goalposts

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Ha I keep getting #### for this too.

Haha. I have noticed that

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think at the end of the day, however Bennett does or doesn't feel, it's still an uninformed statement to say he asked for a trade. We do not know that, one way or the other.

Based on what his agent said, the healthy scratch, Bennett’s reaction, and his subsequent deployment, I am quite confident in believing that Bennett is interested in playing somewhere else.

We are certainly all free to believe what we wish.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

The thumbnail of the video makes it look worse but all five Flames were right there. Gio left the front of the next to try and block the pass. He could have just stayed with Puljujarvi.

This is kind of the opposite of the Oilers classic ‘this guy scored’

Theirs is hilarious every time. The Flames’ is sad

[btimbit]

I've been as hard on Bennett as anyone but one thing that bugs the hell out of me lately; of all the players we've seen on Monahans other wing, he was the most effective imo. Yet we keep seeing Leivo and Simon there instead

[Poison]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Exactly. A huge reason players get agents is because they don’t want to deal with the business side, the advocacy, etc. A lot of players aren’t savvy negotiators and likely pretty close to blindly trust their representation

Negotiating what? That u want to play for the team or not?
This isnt his contract.
Your avatar checks out. Grow up.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think Ward is in over his head and handled the Bennett situation like an absolute rookie, particularly with the comment about Sam choosing his position. That was asinine.

But I’m not buying the story that Bennett’s feelings aren’t exactly in line with what his agent is saying. Show me some evidence that his agent is acting against his wishes before making that claim.

That’s just more of the same. He never takes accountability for any coaching decision he makes.

It’s either an excuse or he tries to pass the blame to the player. He did it with the whole Bennett choosing his own position thing, and even tried to do it when he pulled talbot last year, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say “I was outcoached” or “I need to be better” after a loss.

Of all the things he’s terrible at, it’s actually the one that frustrates me the most. Not being able to take accountability is just a sign of a horrible leader and would be frustrating as a player to play for a guy like that.

Like Markstrom came out after carrying the team for 6 weeks last game and took accountability for the loss. Ward has not done that once in his time as head coach going back to last season.

Honestly no idea how Treliving thought this guy was the right guy for the job.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Based on what his agent said, the healthy scratch, Bennett’s reaction, and his subsequent deployment, I am quite confident in believing that Bennett is interested in playing somewhere else.

We are certainly all free to believe what we wish.

After tonight can there be any doubt?

Prior benching was because advanced metrics

Tonight was “on ice for 2 goals against”

But froese take his minutes with legit some of the worst stats in nhl history 20% Corsi gtfo.

I hope Bennett goes elsewhere because there is certainly a gm out there who values him higher than a fourth liner so therefore go get some compensation and be done with it

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Based on what his agent said, the healthy scratch, Bennett’s reaction, and his subsequent deployment, I am quite confident in believing that Bennett is interested in playing somewhere else.

We are certainly all free to believe what we wish.

Your earlier statement was about Bennett’s agent acting in line with his wishes

There is a difference between wanting a role and to contribute, and wanting out at any cost

But Bennett is reasonably near both of those points

No matter, the other question is whether the agent acted in lines with his feelings, his ultimate wishes, or his direction

And these are three different things and knowing the difference should be why agents make the money they do

Balancing valuation, potential, politics, and all of the other crap is how some people are good at their job

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I've been as hard on Bennett as anyone but one thing that bugs the hell out of me lately; of all the players we've seen on Monahans other wing, he was the most effective imo. Yet we keep seeing Leivo and Simon there instead

I've resigned myself to answer that to myself with "Ward hates him" because I can't explain it away with anything else but "Ward is an idiot" or "Ward is an idiot who hates him".

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Poison

Negotiating what? That u want to play for the team or not?
This isnt his contract.
Your avatar checks out. Grow up.

Look bigger picture.

Bennett is an RFA at the end of this season.

He’s likely to be selected by the Kraken or potentially not even qualified - so probably not feeling a lot of loyalty to or from the Flames right now.

It’s tough to get a bigger contract on his next deal if he’s playing 4th line minutes with no offensive opportunities.

His agent thinks he can get those opportunities on a different team, which could lead to a bigger payday on his next contract.

Not that hard to figure out why his agent would be looking for more opportunity for him.
More offensive opportunity is the best way to get him another contract, either on this team or on another team that’s willing to trade for him.

[btimbit]

The guy probably just wants better opportunity in a contract year

You don't have to agree with it (I'm still 50-50 myself) but it's not hard to at least understand it

[PepsiFree]

I don’t think it’s unfair to suggest Bennett actually does want a change of scenery. People have turned that into a trade request, or demanding a trade, or a few other more mindless projections of their own personal feelings of being slighted.

But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. Bennett wanting a change of scenery or not does not make him more or less worthy of being benched. It’s irrelevant. Who cares. While he’s a Flame he’s a Flame, simple as that, and if he deserved to be benched based on on-ice merit, sure. But bringing up his desire for a change of scenery is pointless.

History is littered with guys who wanted out or guys who had agents that made a public stink but stayed and were still given opportunities. It doesn’t matter. Until he’s gone, he’s part of the team. And I would just hope Ward is not as mindlessly petty as some of the posters who think Bennett somehow deserves a benching more because of what his agent said.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Your earlier statement was about Bennett’s agent acting in line with his wishes

There is a difference between wanting a role and to contribute, and wanting out at any cost

But Bennett is reasonably near both of those points

No matter, the other question is whether the agent acted in lines with his feelings, his ultimate wishes, or his direction

And these are three different things and knowing the difference should be why agents make the money they do

Balancing valuation, potential, politics, and all of the other crap is how some people are good at their job

I’m not looking to debate whether Bennett’s agent is doing a good job on his behalf. I’ve stated what I think Bennett wants. Doesn’t seem that different than what his agent said.

In any case, it’s pretty obvious Bennett won’t be a Flame by next year, if not sooner.

[djsFlames]

Gallant please.

Team needs a boot to the ass. The low volume of shots on two of the worst defensive teams in the league over the last 5 games is pathetic.

I get playing intimidated or on the perimeter against a more daunting foe but these guys don't have the balls to take you off the puck if you drive the net consistently and will resort to scrambles and swarms. This is the easy pickins of the division and league and you play them with significantly more respect than either deserves.

Assertion, dictation, where are those things.

You're better built than your rivals. Quit playing down to them.

Get over the muzzin stuff. Get over the Canucks beating. Get over the Sam Bennett noise.

Those don't have to deter you from going out and playing your damn game. Nobody and nothing is stopping you from putting in a full effort.

Have some pride in the crest. Have some pride in yourselves.