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Old 02-19-2021, 11:31 PM   #401
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Name a coach other than Torts who benches a star player.
It happens more often than you are letting on. Didn't couturier get scratched early in the season as one example.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:32 PM   #403
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Yes he did, agents just don't randomly say stuff like this
sometimes they do
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Far post for what? the guy who scored skated right past him quit being an apologist.
that is not what happened. And I am not an apologist
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Name another player with 3 or less points that would be headline news if benched for a period. GL
you managed to say it again - good for you!
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SPEND SOME G DAM MONEY ON A COACH WITH A PROVEN TRACK RECORD.
Trotz has been out there, Q has been out there, and yet its always the giving first timers a chance or middle of the road retreads.
F me!
Having said that i agree with the Sammy decision. Because F him too.

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sometimes they do
that is not what happened. And I am not an apologist

you managed to say it again - good for you!
so obviously you can't name one...because on most teams a guy with 3 points is nothing to get your panties in a knot about.

Don't be a rube...Sam asked for a trade, coming off a 12 point season, during a pandemic when its almost impossible to trade outside the country. His agent didn't just decide this himself.

If it were me Sam would be on the taxi squad, trade him at the deadline or hope Seattle takes him.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:40 PM   #407
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so obviously you can't name one...because on most teams a guy with 3 points is nothing to get your panties in a knot about.

Don't be a rube...Sam asked for a trade, coming off a 12 point season, during a pandemic when its almost impossible to trade outside the country. His agent didn't just decide this himself.


Until you present any quote from the Flames or Bennett’s camp confirming a trade request, this is not confirmed.

The Flames are pissed because the first they heard of this situation was Friedman’s conversation, not a request

Why is that so hard to understand?
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Bennett would get claimed on waivers. He's not going to the taxi squad now or ever.
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If it were me Sam would be on the taxi squad, trade him at the deadline or hope Seattle takes him.
So basically, you're saying if you were the coach, you'd be petty and put your pettiness above the team's best chances of winning by playing players with 0 points instead.
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Bennett would get claimed on waivers. He's not going to the taxi squad now or ever.
healthy scratch then
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So basically, you're saying if you were the coach, you'd be petty and put your pettiness above the team's best chances of winning by playing players with 0 points instead.

I think he may be presenting his resume to Tre via CP
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I think he may be presenting his resume to Tre via CP
Don't give Tre ideas. dino7c might make Ward look like Gulutzan the way ward makes Gulutzan look like Scotty Bowman.
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So basically, you're saying if you were the coach, you'd be petty and put your pettiness above the team's best chances of winning by playing players with 0 points instead.
Rhett Warrener agrees...what message does it send playing this guy and how is he really helping you? Its not being petty it can't be good for the team to have a guy playing that wants out.

If Sam didn't want a trade surely he would flat out deny it.

I remember when CP was all butthurt about Frolik being scratched too, how is his career going?
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What is wrong with how it's constructed? Goalie is good. Pretty deep defence. Lindholm, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Ryan at centre (I realize not all available or all playing centre)? Goalie out from defence to centers this team is good.

I think Treliving has been very good for this organization. People think oh just hire this guy or trade for that guy. There are budgets and constraints. It's ridiculous reading how easy people think it is. Just clueless.
I think this is a fair point.
To add to it, I would posit that the Flames are not a bad team. They are an average to above average NHL roster that is playing poorly at the moment.
Of course the most maddening thing to me is that they are so inconsistent. They actually looked good in the latter half of the first, and had they got one or two to go its game over for the Oilers.
But then the bottom falls out and here we are again...
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Until you present any quote from the Flames or Bennett’s camp confirming a trade request, this is not confirmed.

The Flames are pissed because the first they heard of this situation was Friedman’s conversation, not a request

Why is that so hard to understand?
If his agent misrepresented him why is he not fired?
Sam didnt say it but he didnt condemn it either.
Why is this so hard to understand?
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Umm. Did you ever play sports growing up? And if you did, did you ever play with guys that had all the talent in the world, but they were frustrating as #### because they had such a low effort level?

Sometimes those guys get to the show on skill alone. This is definitely not a cliche. You hear people talk about it all the time, including ex players, coaches etc. I don’t even think this can be argued.
I did but those things aren’t even comparable, these are the top .1% hockey players in the world, not some guy that played Junior A or was a third liner in the WHL before washing out.

For the most part unless you have the work ethic you aren’t making the NHL, and anybody who doesn’t put in that effort washes out way before that level. And those guys certainly don’t become top line players in the league.

Sure it happens with the odd guy like Alex Semin or Alexei Yashin but those guys are the exception and are usually so ultra talented that even with low effort they were able to produce - I don’t see any of those guys on this roster.

Most of this core has played through a major injury over the last two seasons at some point in time to help the team. A lot of this core has overcome a lot of adversity to make it where they are (Gio, and Johnny specifically), and I don’t think any of them are so naturally talented that they floated their way to NHL success.

IMO effort is the most overused cliche by coaches pro sports, and usually it’s system, confidence in playing that system, and confidence in your own ability that is what we are really looking at.

I’m not sure a team has ever actually won a pro championship by just “working harder than the other team”, no matter how much the coaches would want you to believe in that. Teams that win championships tend to play aggressive and dictate play, even the 03-04 Flames who weren’t the most talented tried to play aggressive and dictate play. They weren’t the most talented but they were aggressive with their systems on the forecheck and in the breakout.

If you are playing passive and aren’t playing with confidence that means you are reacting instead of anticipating. And then if you are reacting that usually means you’re probably hesitating a bit too, and if you’re doing either of those things (reacting or hesitating) then you’re probably going to get beat to a loose puck.

I don’t care how much effort you put in - if your opponent is being the aggressor, and dictating and anticipating the play, while you’re playing passive and reacting to a play then you’re never going to win that race.

The fans will say you’re just working hard enough or that you’re too slow, when really you’re just not thinking the game at the right speed or being put in a position to be able to be the aggressor.

And that’s the biggest problem with this system. What about this system says the Flames are going to try to be aggressive and dictate the game?

Is it the ultra passive net front collapse in the defensive zone?

How about the labeled break out up the strong side where they just try to shove the puck through players? (Link for reference https://jmalloryhockey.substack.com/...used-cgy-needs)

Maybe it’s the ultra passive neutral zone play where the defenders give up our blueline at a rate that’s the 3rd worst in the league?

Or maybe it’s the fact that our defenders don’t seem to jump into the rush as much to help in the neutral zone anymore?

No! it must be the ultra passive zone entries that too frequently end with a soft dump to the corner that the forechecker has no chance to get to first?

People need to realize that this ultra passive system we are playing doesn’t work with this roster, and might not work with any roster in this NHL to be honest.
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If his agent misrepresented him why is he not fired?
Sam didnt say it but he didnt condemn it either.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Yep, agents job is to take the heat...its not rocket appliances
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If his agent misrepresented him why is he not fired?
Sam didnt say it but he didnt condemn it either.
Why is this so hard to understand?
LOL.

Yeah it’s gotta be the first time an athlete, with exactly how much education, let a smooth talking con man lead him in to a bad decision

Or acted on his behalf knowing he could talk his way out of it after

Tre has no time for his #### btw
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