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Old 02-19-2021, 10:45 PM   #361
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Brad, like any GM, has to live within his budgetary restraints. For him, it is spending the absolute maximum that any GM is allowed to spend. Brad has shown for 7 years how hard it is to build a winning franchise, so I do not think people are clueless. You would have to be an idiot to not know how hard it is, Brad has had 7 years and he has built a bubble team. And with the exception of one phenomenal 50 game stretch, that is all he has ever built.
But the centers are phenomenal, in the North only Toronto, Winnipeg and Edmonton have for sure better centers than the ones that Brad put together.
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Well, he did glide all the way in. And didn't even really look for a player. Did he look engaged in the play to you?
Matt did the same thing last game. Was on one knee then glided in as the other team scored.
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Bennett’s play was a bad read. It happens.

Tkachuk’s play was just abysmal and way worse in my eyes.

There is definitely a double standard.
4x the Points and not asking for a trade gets you more leash go figure
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Well, he did glide all the way in. And didn't even really look for a player. Did he look engaged in the play to you?
I think on any goal against if you look at it hard enough and long enough you can find somebody to point a finger at.

He made a mistake on the play, but to me the mistake was not reading the play properly, not that he didn’t put in the effort.

I actually hate the sports cliche of “lack of effort”. IMO it’s rare in a league of this level that an athlete isn’t giving full effort, and when they aren’t it’s usually obvious, like that Dubois shift. These guys didn’t get to this level by mailing in shifts.

This roster that supposedly lacks character and heart are the same guys that have played through serious injuries to help the team win. Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Giordano, etc have all played through bad injuries to try to help the team win, but they aren’t working hard now or don’t care enough. That’s bull#### IMO.

IMO lack of confidence and lack of hockey sense is often mistaken for a lack of effort. When a player is confident it will look like he’s giving more effort because he’s not reacting to the play, he’s anticipating and getting to pucks first. Same thing with strong hockey sense that will allow them to anticipate the play, and make the right play.

IMO that’s the issue with this Flames team right now. It’s not like they are losing the puck once they are in the battle, once they actually get in a board battle they usually win the puck, the problem to me is they are “getting beat to loose pucks” and that’s a totally different issue. To me that speaks to a team that is reacting instead of anticipating, and to a team that is not confident in themselves or this system.

Hockey is such a fast sport that if you are reacting you are done, you need to be anticipating where the puck is going to be and beat your opponent to that spot. However if you’re reacting to where the puck is going and your opponent is anticipating where the puck is going to be then you’re never going to beat them to it, doesn’t matter how much effort you’re putting in.

And that’s the problem with this ultra passive, ultra safe system the Flames are playing. When you are playing a passive system it leads to you being on your heels more, and when you are playing on your heels this means that you are reacting instead of anticipating, and it leads to what we have seen from the Flames this season and really going back to the series against Colorado.

Colorado ripped the Flames confidence and swagger away from them in the 18-19 playoffs and they have been playing passive and scared ever since.

I’ve never seen a hockey team in the last 20 years win in the NHL (or any sport for that matter) by playing a passive and safe system. You need to play aggressive and fast if you want to win in any sport and the system the Flames are playing is not meant for that. Safe is death is sports and the Flames are finding that out the hard way right now.

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What is wrong with how it's constructed? Goalie is good. Pretty deep defence. Lindholm, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Ryan at centre (I realize not all available or all playing centre)? Goalie out from defence to centers this team is good.

I think Treliving has been very good for this organization. People think oh just hire this guy or trade for that guy. There are budgets and constraints. It's ridiculous reading how easy people think it is. Just clueless.
The team on average is slow, small, and gutless.
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Matt did the same thing last game. Was on one knee then glided in as the other team scored.
except he was crosschecked in the back and presumably hurt...pretty hard to judge how injured a guy is on TV
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4x the Points and not asking for a trade gets you more leash go figure
The points are on the powerplay, it's almost like that's where a lot of points are produced.

5 on 5

Tkachuk has 5 points in 249 minutes of icetime
Bennett has 3 even strength points in 181 minutes of icetime

not much of a difference. Guess which guy has been playing with Lindholm.
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except he was crosschecked in the back and presumably hurt...pretty hard to judge how injured a guy is on TV
He looked fine tonight didn't he? He was crossed checked in front of the net several times.
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Hard to compete with lottery balls
This team could use a Jordan Kyrou and a Noah Dobson. Snag those two guys and I think we would have something. Then you have scoring depth up front and depth on the backend to make a trade if you need to.
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Hard to compete with lottery balls
Why should that matter? Plenty of great player changed teams in the last 7 years.
It was clear after the Anaheim sweep that the top line needed to be massively upgraded. What's he done about that?
He keeps hoping that Monahan gets a pulse and JG grows 5 inches.
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4x the Points and not asking for a trade gets you more leash go figure
3x the points at 3x the pay.
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Why should that matter? Plenty of great player changed teams in the last 7 years.
It was clear after the Anaheim sweep that the top line needed to be massively upgraded. What's he done about that?
He keeps hoping that Monahan gets a pulse and JG grows 5 inches.
Yeah plenty of Matthews and McDavid's on the block. Point is no GM could possibly match those two teams at center so its hard to criticize Brad for that. He has done well for centers IMO but not so much on the wing.
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Not gonna jump on the fire Ward bandwagon, but man I hate his post-game media conferences. He seems arrogant and closed off. Peters, Gulutzan, and Hartley were far more forthcoming. Ward needs to realize he’s speaking to the fans through the media. The media is not the audience.

Simple and true

Staggering to believe he doesn’t understand this
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I wouldn't call it that.
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The points are on the powerplay, it's almost like that's where a lot of points are produced.

5 on 5

Tkachuk has 5 points in 249 minutes of icetime
Bennett has 3 even strength points in 181 minutes of icetime

not much of a difference. Guess which guy has been playing with Lindholm.
Would you replace Tkachuk with Bennett on PP1?
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I actually hate the sports cliche of “lack of effort”. IMO it’s rare in a league of this level that an athlete isn’t giving full effort, and when they aren’t it’s usually obvious, like that Dubois shift. These guys didn’t get to this level by mailing in shifts.
Umm. Did you ever play sports growing up? And if you did, did you ever play with guys that had all the talent in the world, but they were frustrating as #### because they had such a low effort level?

Sometimes those guys get to the show on skill alone. This is definitely not a cliche. You hear people talk about it all the time, including ex players, coaches etc. I don’t even think this can be argued.
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"How about Cassie no question there Campbell?"
how about that Oilers depth scoring!

one goal that was basically an own goal and a goal from the 1st line
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Would you replace Tkachuk with Bennett on PP1?
Didn't we do exactly that during the playoffs and PP1 kept on chugging along, with Bennett even scoring a couple powerplay goals?

I'm not saying I would replace Tkachuk with Bennett on PP1, because Tkachuk has some of the best hands in tight in the entire NHL, but I am saying that Bennett would produce a lot more were he on PP1.
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