[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where did I say Hanifin made a great play? I said he put in some effort. The 3 point forward that asked for a trade was coasting Vs. your Best or 2nd best Dman this entire season.

Bennett shouldn't even be playing at all IMO. Guy asks for a trade and then gets put on the top line is the actual mistake. He should be on the taxi squad.

Bennett should be busting his ass, nobody wants him

You said he was "At least trying". I said "He laid down and slid into the goalie" and it was a "fail". Words are hard.

Sit Bennett for a shift or two but thats the spot he picks to bech him in a game like that? You're picking a strange hill to die on here.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And really this while benching thing isn’t helping the team or their confidence IMO.

There is a difference between a lazy play and a mistake, and Ward seems to be benching guys for mistakes right now. In my history in sports and from watching sports that never seems to help, guys just start squeezing their stocks tighter and make more mistakes.

Dube hasn’t looked as good since he was benched for mistakes.

Simon looks lost out there after sitting for a while and then being benched for a mistake.

Bennett’s play to me tonight was a “mistake” not a lazy play, I’m sure he will be rewarded with Nordstrom and Ritchie as his wingers tomorrow night.

These “benchings” don’t help players actually get better, it’s not lazy play, it’s just a mistake. All you’re doing is embarrassing them, cratering their confidence, and causing them to be afraid to make a mistake.

But I guess that’s what Ward wants. The team to play scared, passive, and safe hockey. Don’t try to make a play, that might lead to a mistake!

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

You bench a guy for crappy effort, not for making the wrong call.

[Hoop27]

Maybe I am off base but to me since the players only meeting this team has lost their testicular fortitude.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Agreed. Now that goaltending is solved my only problem with Treliving is the coaching hires, and that might not even be his fault, my theory is still ownership doesn't want to pay a top coach. So we keep trying to find these diamonds in the rough but all we get is sand and mud

I don't think the skill of the players is the problem, we just keep getting coaches that have them play against their strengths. This is not built to be an attack as a unit or dump and chase team, yet that's how they're coached.

I agree with this. I think roster management has been pretty good. But good lord the coaching hires. Its just not logical. Why would you put all the effort in to build a team and then top it off with an inexperienced or non winning coach? I just don't get it, I haven't understood it for years. I've had long arguments with people on this forum about every coach Treliving hired...and every coach ended up getting fired after lousy results (Peters notwithstanding). What is it this team has against proven track records? Why is it so damn hard to shortlist coaches who have executed at the NHL level? This is my number one frustration with Treliving by a longshot. His coaching hires have made zero sense and all have been proven to be bad decisions.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He also coasted from the blue in
But it does seem like a very itchy trigger
Don’t know how that helps anyone.
Not a good play by Sam
But don’t like the move by the coach

I don't think the rest of the team did either and that's concerning!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You said he was "At least trying". I said "He laid down and slid into the goalie" and it was a "fail". Words are hard.

Sit Bennett for a shift or two but thats the spot he picks to bech him in a game like that? You're picking a strange hill to die on here.

I don't think Bennett should be playing at all...its not a tonight thing. Its like Rhett said on the morning show...guy asks for a trade so you put him on the top line. What message does that send? And he has 3 points its not like its a huge loss to sit him.

Flames didn't lose the game because the great Sam Bennett wasn't out there to tie the game

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Bennett isn't very good drum? I will

3 points

people who want Tkachuk scratched get mad when Sam sits for one period

Ok, but what's your point really?

I mean Bennett didn't play in the 3rd, Flames still sucked and Ward looks like an idiot. The loss has nothing to do with Bennett, but it seems a few want to blame him. Doesn't make any sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That’s not very good centre depth, and the depth on the wing is quite poor.

Defence and goaltending is solid.

It’s not easy. No one thinks it’s easy. We’re freaking Flames fans. We know how hard it is. We’ve seen a total 4 playoff round victories since 1989.

It takes a special level of incompetence to be this bad, for this long. Add in the fact that there doesn’t seem to be any real signs that things will be better “tomorrow”, it makes it pretty easy to understand why fans are frustrated. Sell us wins, or sell us hope - but this team/organization is doing neither.

I don’t think it’s good forward depth. I also don’t think it’s incompetence. The Flames haven’t made any real drafting mistakes since Jankowski (and even there the picks just behind him aren’t world beaters). They just have been trapped in mediocre draft positions.

And outside of Neal, I don’t think there’s been significant “incompetent” transaction moves (and yes, I include Hamonic in that). Incompetent, to a lawyer like me, means there was significant negligence in the event, or that no other competent official would make the same move, which I can’t say about the Hamonic deal. The Neal signing was, based solely on due diligence which obviously wasn’t done.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames didn't lose the game because the great Sam Bennett wasn't out there to tie the game

Then why did we lose to a hapless Oilers team?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think Bennett should be playing at all...its not a tonight thing. Its like Rhett said on the morning show...guy asks for a trade so you put him on the top line. What message does that send? And he has 3 points its not like its a huge loss to sit him.

Flames didn't lose the game because the great Sam Bennett wasn't out there to tie the game

Even more of a case against Ward.

And Im not a Bennett apologist. Just Baffled by a lot of the coaching decisions.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, he did glide all the way in. And didn't even really look for a player.

Whether he busted his ass or glided, this is what I see when the play was at its most dangerous:



At that moment, the optics of whether he was skating at 110% or glided.. are just that - OPTICs.

I am not defending Bennett's read or effort there, but at the end of the day, if you backcheck well enough for the odd man rush to look like this, I don't think you should not be given another shift, especially when you literally finish the night with the most shots on your entire team even strength, despite missing an entire period.

If you want an idea of a truly poor effort on that play? There was a forward in the D zone (Lucic?) who went off the ice for a line change while the Oilers had full possession of the puck. I'm willing to bet that forward got shifts in the rest of the game.

Did he look engaged in the play to you?

He looked no less engaged than Hanifin, Valimaki, Lucic, Dube?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And really this while benching thing isn’t helping the team or their confidence IMO.

There is a difference between a lazy play and a mistake, and Ward seems to be benching guys for mistakes right now. In my history in sports and from watching sports that never seems to help, guys just start squeezing their stocks tighter and make more mistakes.

Dube hasn’t looked as good since he was benched for mistakes.

Simon looks lost out there after sitting for a while and then being benched for a mistake.

Bennett’s play to me tonight was a “mistake” not a lazy play, I’m sure he will be rewarded with Nordstrom and Ritchie as his wingers tomorrow night.

These “benchings” don’t help players actually get better, it’s not lazy play, it’s just a mistake. All you’re doing is embarrassing them, cratering their confidence, and causing them to be afraid to make a mistake.

But I guess that’s what Ward wants. The team to play scared, passive, and safe hockey. Don’t try to make a play, that might lead to a mistake!

You’ve got that right. But one positive is the player won’t make that mistake again. The player will now make two others in other situations, but at least coaching curbed that one.

[expo2428]

I think this team needs more in between the leg shots over the net and more behind the passes for turnovers in the neutral zone. Like are we even trying that hard if we don't reach 10 in between the leg moves a game?!?!

[curves2000]

Let's cut out the BS and nevermind the fantasies here. Tre is under a severe restriction with regards to adding payroll, expenses and other costs with this club.

Let's not forget that the NHL and a lot of ownership revenue has taken a massive massive hit during Covid. He has or at least should have exhausted his ability to fire coaches and buyout his signings without significant rationale. He has cost ownership enough with all that and more. He has handcuffs on, end of story.

What we as Flames fan's need to make very very clear is that our dollars and loyalty comes with conditions. Armature hour should be over and we are going to need to be a team that is consistently meeting high level performance metrics. You can't guarantee or snap your fingers for a Stanley Cup but regular season and playoff performer but should be part of the deal for a city that has supported it as well as Calgary has. We need to demand better cause that's the way it works. Our dollars and attention for their entertainment and high level performance.

Ownership needs to be made fully aware that in a post Covid world, this level of incompetence's across the board can not be tolerated year in and year out for decades. Few, if any of CP members have earned any NHL related income from building, running or coaching an NHL team. I am sure enough of us can assemble a roster and run a club that has been a bottom feeder in performance for 30+ years. Process the fact that for, what, 70% of this teams existence we have underperformed? Is that acceptable?

I encourage ALL CP fan's to send an email to John Bean, President and CEO of the Flames organization. He needs to understand that his job will be made a hell of a lot harder if we fan's, customers, clients, sponsors and more don't give our hard earned dollars to them. We demand respect!! They need to understand this in the easiest possible terms. If you can't hold up your end of the deal, if you can't do what you are literally being paid to do, than you need to step aside and let somebody in who can do it. Enough of this robbery and the wait and see approach.

I don't have the answers to their overall problems but surely this 30+ year bottom feeding performance isn't it. I don't know how others feel, but I am coming more and more to the realization that I am a broken fan in my mid 30's. I don't know if any amount of glue will bring it back.

Email them in masses so they know WTF is up with their clients and and their revenue base and they can figure it out since they clearly know a hell of a lot more than me.

Jbean@calgaryflames.com

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

You bench a guy for crappy effort, not for making the wrong call.

See, I think Bennett’s effort was crappy. Benchworthy is debatable, but I just didn’t see the effort.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

What is wrong with how it's constructed? Goalie is good. Pretty deep defence. Lindholm, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Ryan at centre (I realize not all available or all playing centre)? Goalie out from defence to centers this team is good.

I think Treliving has been very good for this organization. People think oh just hire this guy or trade for that guy. There are budgets and constraints. It's ridiculous reading how easy people think it is. Just clueless.

Brad, like any GM, has to live within his budgetary restraints. For him, it is spending the absolute maximum that any GM is allowed to spend. Brad has shown for 7 years how hard it is to build a winning franchise, so I do not think people are clueless. You would have to be an idiot to not know how hard it is, Brad has had 7 years and he has built a bubble team. And with the exception of one phenomenal 50 game stretch, that is all he has ever built.
But the centers are phenomenal, in the North only Toronto, Winnipeg and Edmonton have for sure better centers than the ones that Brad put together.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Ward just signed a 2 year deal months ago. He’s not getting fired 17 games into the season. Like it or not, he’s here for at least the year. He may not be a good coach but we’ve gone through 4 coaches in 9 years, at what point do we put some onus on the players?

#### that. Ward’s a moron and the only reason Tre doesn’t fire him is because it’s his ass

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

This reminds me of Brent Sutter, "PLAY HARDER!!!"

He is lost he doesn't know how to motivate them. He may have already lost the team.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

How do the people who support Bennett getting benched for that play view Tkachuk taking a knee and watching the 4th goal get scored last game?

Bennett’s play was a bad read. It happens.

Tkachuk’s play was just abysmal and way worse in my eyes.

There is definitely a double standard.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by expo2428

I think this team needs more in between the leg shots over the net and more behind the passes for turnovers in the neutral zone. Like are we even trying that hard if we don't reach 10 in between the leg moves a game?!?!

But somehow nobody talks about this, with him being our "best player and future captain".

No, let's all rag on Bennett who is insignificant.