[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Just put Sam out of his misery already. Very unfair.

I agree, but the return now will be dreadful

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1362987605046923267

This guy is Greg Gilbert all over again. Not to the same extreme as the loss of Bennett can't compare to the loss of Marc Savard but this coach is clueless and toxic, he needs to go now and try and mitigate the damage he has already done to the psyche of this group. I don't care if BT is scared he will walk the plank too, then walk it and be done with it. This is a disaster.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Major Major

On a won draw in the offensive zone down by with 1 minute left, goalie pulled, Mark Giordano's first instinct was to back off the puck in order to not give up an odd man rush. Yes, the puck was sliding towards him, at the point, and he skated backwards. Is this the Mark Giordano we know? #### no. This is a coach and by extension GM's philosophy showing up in the player's instinct and it is based on fear. Tampa Bay had a message written in their locker room when they beat us in 04 "safe is death". How did this team lose that series and not have that as a core philosophy moving forward? What an embarrassment.

I disagree with your read of the play. I think Gio believed Gaudreau was circling back to get the puck, but he peeled off and Gio had to react last second.

Watching it live I thought Gaudreau was going to get the puck too. He does that play often where he curls around and collects the puck with speed to circle the faceoff dot and attack the net as a lefty.

Here it is:


It's a split-second decision, and Gaudreau was skating towards the puck before curling off. Bad luck as both players misread the other's intentions.

[JohnnyB]

If Tre hires Sutter, Gallant or Boudreau and just leaves them to coach, I'm fine with Tre staying. I've never been a huge Tre fan, but he's good with trades and signing Markstrom is huge. If he could just hire a good coach, stay out of their way, and focus his own efforts on player talent acquisition I would feel pretty okay.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by AC

Honestly the Flames played a good defensive game. They kept McDavid and Draisiatl to basically nothing.

1 missed assignment as Barrie pinched down low on the 1st goal against, and a bad break on the 2nd goal. The team did fine defensively.

It didn't feel like we had any actual scoring chances though for basically in comparison. Johnny created the Andersson goal for (with a great shot of course), but almost nothing else came close other than a Lindholm post on the PP.

This team feels neutered.

I never had the feeling the Flames were going to win. Not from the opening minute when they had a giveaway inside their own zone right off the bat.

Decent D. Decent game by Rittich (good for him). Backs was good on McAvi coverage. Hitting? None. Emotion? Less. Scoring? Not enough.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by agulati

Maybe share it with the player atleast.

May be by internal he meant himself?

[zamler]

Fire Tre fire Ward put a freeze on any deals. A Speak & Spell can coach for all I care let the team go out and have some fun.

[Manhattanboy]

#MurraySaveOurSeason

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

Really? He went away from the puck and to the far post where there were two defensemen. I can see why Ward would think that was a pretty big and dumb mistake on Bennett's part. Bench worthy for the rest of the game when Monahan is out? No, but still a pretty stupid play by Bennett.

I don’t think it was bench worthy. Unless it’s been some sort of recurring thing on coverage and he was told “don’t repeat it”.

Ward seems to bench guys a fair bit - Dube was as well.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by AC

I disagree with your read of the play. I think Gio believe Gaudreau was circling back to get the puck, but he peeled off and Gio had to react last secont

Watching it live I thought Gaudreau was going to get the puck too. He does that play often where he curls around and collects the puck with speed to circle the faceoff dot and attack the net as a lefty.

Here it is:


It's a split-second decision, and Gaudreau was skating towards the puck before curling off. Bad luck as both players misread the other's intentions.

Is it bad luck? It looks more like bad coaching in that the players don’t understand who’s responsibility it is to go for a puck in that area after a win

[timbit]

Very very very few can play in the NHL.

Even fewer can coach in the NHL.

Many of the ones who missed out on the former are convinced they have the aptitude and leadership to not only critique coaches....but actually imagine they would do a better job.

Quite an amazing phenomena.

The Coaches make mistakes...not even close to the number the players make.

[zamler]

How many players has Ward benched?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AC

I disagree with your read of the play. I think Gio believe Gaudreau was circling back to get the puck, but he peeled off and Gio had to react last secont

Watching it live I thought Gaudreau was going to get the puck too. He does that play often where he curls around and collects the puck with speed to circle the faceoff dot and attack the net as a lefty.

Here it is:


It's a split-second decision, and Gaudreau was skating towards the puck before curling off. Bad luck as both players misread the other's intentions.

I think the puck also bounced and the first one looked like it was headed out quicker, then the second bounce stopped it. Plus I don’t think Gio is as confident.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by zamler

And finally worthy of the nickname Butter?

Remember when Butter and ###### were filtered here? haha

edit: oh, I guess it was just the D version, and it still is ROFL

[Sylvanfan]

Ward seems to be coaching this team like a guy who knows the sooner he forces them to get rid of him, the better the severance will be. Looks every bit as out of synch maybe more than the end of the Brent Sutter days.

[AC]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Is it bad luck? It looks more like bad coaching in that the players don’t understand who’s responsibility it is to go for a puck in that area after a win

No, the puck was bobbled so it was slowly moving halfway between either player's set pickup location.

Blaming that play on coaching seems like a big stretch.

If the faceoff was a clean win, it's a nothing play. Likewise if it barely pops out then it's an easy pickup by Gaudreau.

Instead it's a 50/50 play and both Gaudreau and Gio seemed to freeze for a split-second. It happens. Geoff Ward can't control the physics of the puck from the bench unfortunately.

[Karl]

I can't believe this team made Gaetan Haas actually look good. That is really hard to do.

Pathetic.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by timbit

Very very very few can play in the NHL.

Even fewer can coach in the NHL.

Many of the ones who missed out on the former are convinced they have the aptitude and leadership to not only critique coaches....but actually imagine they would do a better job.

Quite an amazing phenomena.

The Coaches make mistakes...not even close to the number the players make.

I think you're absolutely right about this... but also, one of the people who absolutely can coach in the NHL is Bruce Boudreau.

His teams are consistently successful and he always gets them to produce to their maximum offensively. And they play with creativity and almost always make the playoffs.

[Aarongavey]

Hard to start doubting Treliving giving his proven track record at building winning hockey clubs, but I am starting to lose faith that he is the guy to turn this around. But after 7 years, these guys are Brad's Best and they are the horses we are running with.

[Jetfire]

Just looking at the post-game interview, Ward looks like he's aged 10 years in a quarter of a regular season. He's in way over his head.