[PGT] Flames beat Vancouver 4-3 in OVERTIME

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Something is off with him overall this season.
13 points in 18 games which isn't bad but he just isn't as dynamic or dangerous.

It is not just this season. The Flames have held Petterssen to 2 assists in 8 games over the past two seasons.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

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[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is not just this season. The Flames have held Petterssen to 2 assists in 8 games over the past two seasons.

Last 8 really? Seems like he always feasted on us. Maybe that was just his rookie season and Mike Smith was our goalie. That could explain my PTSD with him.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right, and going into a GT to tell people they are stupid for watching the game is the former.

I actually said I don't know why people tuned in. I later said it's commendable to remain so loyal. But sure, twist my words if you must.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Last 8 really? Seems like he always feasted on us. Maybe that was just his rookie season and Mike Smith was our goalie. That could explain my PTSD with him.

Exactly. In his rookie season he was scoring close to 2 points/game v. the Flames, but has been very quiet since. Even though he has notched a couple of assists in the past three games, I didn't think he has looked especially dangerous at any point.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sure. It's not trollish if you genuinely don't understand why Flames fans on a Flames-centric message board would watch a Flames game, but that's some hell of a "different opinion."

Watching Flames games is literally the most basic part of being a fan. And you genuinely don't understand it?

Now you're just being silly.

I genuinely don't understand why people remain so invested in the Flames, so full of hope. Perhaps that's a better way of putting it. I too still watch most games, but not full of hope. They don't inspire that in their play, nor does their history.

While I do naturally find myself wanting the Flames to win every game while watching them, in the back of my mind, I'm kind of with Mattman. I think this core needs to be broken down, and the only way that happens, is with losing.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Exactly. In his rookie season he was scoring close to 2 points/game v. the Flames, but has been very quiet since. Even though he has notched a couple of assists in the past three games, I didn't think he has looked especially dangerous at any point.

It almost seems like the team figured out how to play him, in his rookie season, the Flames were just let him roam around free and won't even breathe on him. But since then, the team not given him as much space, as soon as he has the puck, there are guy on him right away.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I genuinely don't understand why people remain so invested in the Flames, so full of hope. Perhaps that's a better way of putting it. I too still watch most games, but not full of hope. They don't inspire that in their play, nor does their history.

While I do naturally find myself wanting the Flames to win every game while watching them, in the back of my mind, I'm kind of with Mattman. I think this core needs to be broken down, and the only way that happens, is with losing.

Wrong. The only way this will happen is with time. The Flames simply won't be bad enough to trigger any movement of their core players prematurely. Being upset about the fact that it won't happen is either completely futile, or just a bizarre way to expend energy as a fan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I actually said I don't know why people tuned in. I later said it's commendable to remain so loyal. But sure, twist my words if you must.

I doubt I’m the one twisting because you were accused of trolling right then and there. And a few more have done it since.

Flames GTs aren’t where people normally go to say “why are you watching a Flames game”.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sure. It's not trollish if you genuinely don't understand why Flames fans on a Flames-centric message board would watch a Flames game, but that's some hell of a "different opinion."

Watching Flames games is literally the most basic part of being a fan. And you genuinely don't understand it?

Now you're just being silly.

I honestly believe that me watching a game has an effect on the outcome.

Last night for example, it was 0-2, I turned it off and it became 3-2.

I flipped on to watch the end of the game and yeah well you know what happened.

I flipped it off again in the hope that they Flames would win in OT and again you know what happened.

I mean 99% of me know i have nothing to do with the win/loss, but that 1% is yelling hard.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wrong. The only way this will happen is with time. The Flames simply won't be bad enough to trigger any movement of their core players prematurely. Being upset about the fact that it won't happen is either completely futile, or just a bizarre way to expend energy as a fan.

It’s like how some used to say “I’m a progressive but I hope Trump gets elected because then for sure the US will see the light and we’ll all live in my paradise”.

It would be a huge mistake to move a star player because of a bad loss or even series of losses.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I honestly believe that me watching a game has an effect on the outcome.

Last night for example, it was 0-2, I turned it off and it became 3-2.

I flipped on to watch the end of the game and yeah well you know what happened.

I flipped it off again in the hope that they Flames would win in OT and again you know what happened.

I mean 99% of me know i have nothing to do with the win/loss, but that 1% is yelling hard.

You mean changing my volume level from 19 to 17 didn't somehow rally the team? I think that is part of the fun of being a fan, some of thought processes and things we do must border on some of us being committed. If the straitjacket was in retro colours, I just might be okay with it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

This team isn't going to trigger a re-build or re-tool mid-season.
For one - most of that work gets done off-season now in a capped world
Two - COVID makes it tougher.
Three - This team needs to show it can win in the playoffs. Not making the playoffs would be a strong sign of failure, but the true evaluation happens when they get there.

So regardless of whether they win or lose any game right now- this is likely the team that they are going with. So might as well hope for wins.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wrong. The only way this will happen is with time. The Flames simply won't be bad enough to trigger any movement of their core players prematurely. Being upset about the fact that it won't happen is either completely futile, or just a bizarre way to expend energy as a fan.

Lol. Just because you say "Wrong", with a period, doesn't make you right. Full stop. (Am I doing this right?)

What do you consider "bad enough"? Is one second round appearance in the last 7 years good enough for you? Keep in mind we were beaten in five games that 2nd round, while being outscored 19-9. How much "time" does this core need?

Swept in 16/17 by that same team (after missing in 15/16), missed in 17/18, thoroughly embarrassed by the Avalanche in 2019, then lost in the 1st round to Dallas in 6 games (which was very flattering).

You claimed to disagree with me, only to pretty much agree with me...

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Each and every one, and I would not say the Flames were "lucky" to have won the two they did. I think the last three games have featured an utterly disparate team playing on home ice against a team still finding their footing while stuck in the same hotel room for four straight days, and playing without their #2 centre for two of the three.

Think about it like this: The Flames destroyed the Canucks on home ice, and also managed to walk away with 4/6 points in Vancouver against a team that was playing to save their season.


Surely you have been watching this game long enough to know that any team can win on any night. The worst team in the Division erased a FIVE GOAL deficit to beat the top team yesterday. The Canucks were not going to lose every game this year, and with their backs against the wall it should come as no surprise that they played the games of their lives over the course of the past week. The Canucks are so bad that although playing at their absolute, desperate best, they cannot even manage to eke out better than three points on home ice.

It just so happens that when the Flames roll into town, this complete circus of a team the weeks prior, has finally said enough is enough and managed to find their game? You don't just flip a switch from being outscored 26-10 in the previous 5 games to what we're seeing now, unless you're getting serious help from your opponent. If this were the case, why can't the Flames actually step up and hand it to a weaker opponent once and a while?

Instead, the Flames are again proving they are incapable of consistency or killer instinct, which, when you get right down to it, means they are mediocre. If it weren't for the continual amazing goaltending from Markstrom, they would surely be near the bottom of the ladder based on the continued lifeless play more often than not.

Do the Flames need to stomp their opponents every night? Certainly not. But they do need to show up and put in more than a pulse for 30+ minutes each night if anything is going to truly change.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

It just so happens that when the Flames roll into town, this complete circus of a team the weeks prior, has finally said enough is enough and managed to find their game? You don't just flip a switch from being outscored 26-10 in the previous 5 games to what we're seeing now, unless you're getting serious help from your opponent. If this were the case, why can't the Flames actually step up and hand it to a weaker opponent once and a while?

Instead, the Flames are again proving they are incapable of consistency or killer instinct, which, when you get right down to it, means they are mediocre. If it weren't for the continual amazing goaltending from Markstrom, they would surely be near the bottom of the ladder based on the continued lifeless play more often than not.

Do the Flames need to stomp their opponents every night? Certainly not. But they do need to show up and put in more than a pulse for 30+ minutes each night if anything is going to truly change.

Now do Ottawa. They currently have the longest winning streak in the Division.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Lol. Just because you say "Wrong", with a period, doesn't make you right. Full stop. (Am I doing this right?)

It works when I do it.

What do you consider "bad enough"?

It doesn't matter what I think because I am not the one who owns the team or makes the decisions. But since you asked, teams rebuild when they are saddled with an aging core that is playing meaningless games in the second-half of the season. So long as the roster is fairly well complemented by players in their prime, on reasonable contracts and playing competitively enough to qualify for the playoffs, then they are going to remain intact for the season.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I honestly believe that me watching a game has an effect on the outcome.

Last night for example, it was 0-2, I turned it off and it became 3-2.

I flipped on to watch the end of the game and yeah well you know what happened.

I flipped it off again in the hope that they Flames would win in OT and again you know what happened.

I mean 99% of me know i have nothing to do with the win/loss, but that 1% is yelling hard.

We all have that 1%.

The key is not to let it grow beyond the 1% because next thing you know it's 10%, and then 20% and then 50% and you end up like Locke blaming everything on "the lizard people."

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I honestly believe that me watching a game has an effect on the outcome.

Last night for example, it was 0-2, I turned it off and it became 3-2.

I flipped on to watch the end of the game and yeah well you know what happened.

I flipped it off again in the hope that they Flames would win in OT and again you know what happened.

I mean 99% of me know i have nothing to do with the win/loss, but that 1% is yelling hard.

I feel this. Are you a fellow goalie?

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It works when I do it.

I suppose it's a matter of (your) opinion.

It doesn't matter what I think because I am not the one who owns the team or makes the decisions. But since you asked, teams rebuild when they are saddled with an aging core that is playing meaningless games in the second-half of the season. So long as the roster is fairly well complemented by players in their prime, on reasonable contracts and playing competitively enough to qualify for the playoffs, then they are going to remain intact for the season.

Oh...so teams only rebuild when the core is old? I thought you said it was time...?

You're contradicting yourself in multiple ways. You said time, then you said age, then you said if they remain fairly competitive they'll stay together. Ultimately what it comes down to is what each franchise gauges as "good enough". This franchise has proven they're content with just making playoffs. Or "competitive enough" like you said. I guess you're OK with that, but I'm not.