Lucic also isn’t a guy who will risk suspension by coming off the bench, or chasing down a guy outside the play. he wasn’t on the ice when Kassian attacked Tkachuk from behind, and I don’t even know how much time they spend on the ice against each other. Lucic will fight if it comes from a play he’s in, or at the least, in a scrum when he is already on the ice. And even then I don’t think he’d fight an unwilling participant, and there aren’t very many willing ones.
He will crush someone on the boards if given a chance.
He's been known to chase guys down and/or attack them if they don't want to fight. Usually that's only if they have hit him directly though, not in standing up for a team mate.
He's been known to chase guys down and/or attack them if they don't want to fight. Usually that's only if they have hit him directly though, not in standing up for a team mate.
Yeah, something bad happened there. I think something personal was said.
He's been known to chase guys down and/or attack them if they don't want to fight. Usually that's only if they have hit him directly though, not in standing up for a team mate.
Actually I need to backtrack on my comment, that video was when he was standing up for a team mate, for some reason I thought he got hit earlier there. When he got suspended for glove punching the guy behind the net that was after he got hit. I'd still like to see Looch feed Kassian his lunch though.
Yeah this trade is pretty much turning into a no brainer.
Two terrible signings .... both signed and paid like top six wingers that almost immediately were bottom six wingers.
The difference though is that while both are and always will be overpaid, at least Lucic has the game to adjust to the lower role. Neal does not.
Actual dollar savings, Oilers paying some of the ticket and a 3rd round pick are all gravy.
Lucic is legitimately one of the Flame's best nine forwards, he's in every game that he's healthy. Ideally he would be making $2M and not $5.25M (after Edmonton's share), but there are worse mistakes than that out there.
Now to really make this fun ... go find another gem with that third round pick!
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Yeah this trade is pretty much turning into a no brainer.
Two terrible signings .... both signed and paid like top six wingers that almost immediately were bottom six wingers.
The difference though is that while both are and always will be overpaid, at least Lucic has the game to adjust to the lower role. Neal does not.
Actual dollar savings, Oilers paying some of the ticket and a 3rd round pick are all gravy.
Lucic is legitimately one of the Flame's best nine forwards, he's in every game that he's healthy. Ideally he would be making $2M and not $5.25M (after Edmonton's share), but there are worse mistakes than that out there.
Now to really make this fun ... go find another gem with that third round pick!
I can't wait to cheer as this pick scores against the oilers one day. It will just be so delicious. Where is that other fella from the game thread who only enjoys winning Stanley Cups? Can't he enjoy this too??
Well it should be remembered that Neal's contract is easier for a team to get out of due to the fact that it is easier to buyout and there are no restrictive clauses like a no trade or no move and no signing bonuses to complicate the buyout. So after this season he can be erased for a 1.91 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 seasons...not too different than the kick to the junk that the Flames took for Troy Brouwer.
Now if you absolutely are forced to keep the player no matter what...yeah Lucic at least offers some things that can be used in the bottom 6. I don't want to jinx it...but he's looking better handling the puck and shooting it this year. If he can put up 30 points in an 80 game season playing a bottom 6 role, and not be a deficiency in 5 on 5 play, he's a guy who has a place in the league albeit at a lower rate. But James Neal...at best a part time guy who comes into the lineup on occasion if a scorer is injured.
Hopefully Lucic can have a Dustin Brown like resurgence where he's not the player he once was, but after looking like he was completely finished find a way to come back and be a meaningful contributor for a couple of seasons.
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Yeah, no. That makes Tkachuk look weak. And could well be fine material.
And no, that wasn’t one of the main reasons for the trade. The trade was all about getting rid of Neal. Treliving would have done it for almost any other player. Lucic was just the best he could do.
First line player not wanting to fight a third line grinder... doesn't make him look weak makes him look intelligent and helping the team win by not risking an injury.
The media tried to make a narrative of him being a turtle for not fighting which I thought was silly. I personally didn't like that he risked injury fighting Perry in the playoffs either. How did the team look after he left with injury?
Yes I agree it was for getting rid of Neal, but Treliving wanted to bring in toughness, and chose Lucic over Erikson in Vancouver (that's the only other name I remember being brought up at the time so correct me if there were others). To me that implies that he was prioritizing team toughness and hoping to protect our young top line players. Not to mention Treliving trying to sign Ryan Reaves.
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It’s good to see that Lucici is putting some points up and has looked better lately. He too would also clear waivers however.
Oh sure. But I think Lucic brings value to the team. He can drive a (bottom 6) line. He can still dominate shifts.
There is still gas in that tank.
Neal was just bad everywhere. On the ice it was basically 'Weekend at Bernie's' where his linemates just dragged him around, and then in the locker room hes a jerk.
At the end of the day I get the impression that we werent buying out anybody, so at least we got a less expensive player who can actually play and is a good teammate.
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Well it should be remembered that Neal's contract is easier for a team to get out of due to the fact that it is easier to buyout and there are no restrictive clauses like a no trade or no move and no signing bonuses to complicate the buyout. So after this season he can be erased for a 1.91 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 seasons...not too different than the kick to the junk that the Flames took for Troy Brouwer.
Now if you absolutely are forced to keep the player no matter what...yeah Lucic at least offers some things that can be used in the bottom 6. I don't want to jinx it...but he's looking better handling the puck and shooting it this year. If he can put up 30 points in an 80 game season playing a bottom 6 role, and not be a deficiency in 5 on 5 play, he's a guy who has a place in the league albeit at a lower rate. But James Neal...at best a part time guy who comes into the lineup on occasion if a scorer is injured.
Hopefully Lucic can have a Dustin Brown like resurgence where he's not the player he once was, but after looking like he was completely finished find a way to come back and be a meaningful contributor for a couple of seasons.
You have to add the $750k they retained into that though. So it's $2.66mln for 2 years and $1.9 for an additional 2 years. Amd the Flames got a 3rd, which has value.
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Yeah this trade is pretty much turning into a no brainer.
Two terrible signings .... both signed and paid like top six wingers that almost immediately were bottom six wingers.
The difference though is that while both are and always will be overpaid, at least Lucic has the game to adjust to the lower role. Neal does not.
Actual dollar savings, Oilers paying some of the ticket and a 3rd round pick are all gravy.
Lucic is legitimately one of the Flame's best nine forwards, he's in every game that he's healthy. Ideally he would be making $2M and not $5.25M (after Edmonton's share), but there are worse mistakes than that out there.
Now to really make this fun ... go find another gem with that third round pick!
There are worse mistakes.
Most notably James Neal.
Last night watching the game I thought about what it would look like if the Lucic for Erickson deal went through and the Flames were stuck either with Neal or stuck paying ~$2 million in a buyout for 8 or 6 years.
I suppose either way you have ~$2-3 million of lost money but at least this way you have a player (overpaid) and a 3rd round pick.
Plus, like Treliving said about the buyout proof deal. It does reduce the term of what you actually pay.
It’s the best of a bad situation, but looking at Edmonton & Vancouver is a quick reminder how worse it could be.
It’s good to see that Lucici is putting some points up and has looked better lately. He too would also clear waivers however.
If you offered to keep $1.5-2mln you could trade Lucic, assuming he would waive his NMC. Would any team be willing to take Neal at $2mil retained? Maybe if the Oilers were allowed to retain $4mil, a team might take a flyer on Neal at 1.75mil. even then only because most of that salary could be buried if need be.
Neal is dead weight no matter how you slice it. Either a lot of dead weight for 2 years, or less for 4 years. The $750k and 3rd are just icing on top for Calgary.
You have to add the $750k they retained into that though. So it's $2.66mln for 2 years and $1.9 for an additional 2 years. Amd the Flames got a 3rd, which has value.
First off the pick will be somewhere in the 70-75 range I would think. It's a nice bonus, but these isn't the NFL where teams draft solid starters consistently in round 3. It's nice to have, but it's pretty unlikely to do much of anything in regards to moving the needle for this franchise.
I'm looking at it more from the perspective of Treliving handed out an awful contract and hew was more or less told by ownership that he get's no more get out of jail cards after using them on Stone and Brouwer. In this case he was forced to find a usable player and appears to have done so. But he put himself in that hot seat. Under very few other circumstances does a trade to acquire Lucic's contract work. So being in that situation i the first place was a bad place to be in.
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First off the pick will be somewhere in the 70-75 range I would think. It's a nice bonus, but these isn't the NFL where teams draft solid starters consistently in round 3. It's nice to have, but it's pretty unlikely to do much of anything in regards to moving the needle for this franchise...
Between 2010–2017 the Flames have drafted six impact NHL players between picks #53–133. That is six players in eight years. With how they have been drafting lately I think it is not so implausible to expect a NHL player from this pick.
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Between 2010–2017 the Flames have drafted six impact NHL players between picks #53–133. That is six players in eight years. With how they have been drafting lately I think it is not so implausible to expect a NHL player from this pick.
Or it’s an asset that can be used as part of another deal.
Between 2010–2017 the Flames have drafted six impact NHL players between picks #53–133. That is six players in eight years. With how they have been drafting lately I think it is not so implausible to expect a NHL player from this pick.
Past performance does not equal future expectations.
It's a nice piece to get don't get me wrong. But I'm not going to start congratulating the Flames for drafting the next Brayden Point right now with the pick. Need to see what they do with it first.
In either case, I'd have rather not spent money on Neal and had more options to use 5.25 million in cap space elsewhere the past three years and the next two than this "Sure thing" third round pick.
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It sure seems to be a pretty common measuring stick. If we look at teams who historically draft well we all seem to wish we had their scouting and drafting. Yet on the flip side we don't give a pass to teams who have terrible draft records. Because then the rationale would be that just because they had terrible drafts in the past doesn't mean they will in the future right?
