Blow it up!

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Ownership said that there was no internal cap on the covid season but it still wouldnt surprise me if they wouldn't pay for a coach

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That's what I don't understand, they have spent so much to acquire the team and spend to the cap, I would imagine that they would want a wining team. I mean like this is not some venture that they want to make money. It's a hobby, a toy, like winning it all would be exciting for them.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Ok, so we fire the coach. Who do we get to replace him? Nobody with name recognition is available that I can think of....

Hasn't it also been said that Tre is not allowed by ownership to hire an expensive coach?

Even if Ownership wanted to spend less on a coach was a thing, I think the money(900k/yr) spent on Ward plus the extra Taxi Squad bodies would have been more than enough to sign an experienced coach in the COVID climate.

It’s sad and makes no sense given that Trelivjng had his chance to pick a coach in the offseason, but I’m still holding out hope that the reason Ward was signed to only a 2-year deal was because Treliving knows he can fire him if things go south quick and will only have 900k/year on the books for a year and a half.

[Ragnar]

The firing of Bill Peters set this team back lightyears.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

The firing of Bill Peters set this team back lightyears.

Not his firing

He accomplished something that they (him included) failed to understand, and it was in the rear view mirror when he left

Either his hiring in the first place (with benefit of hindsight), or the hiring of his successor, is what should be pointed to in terms of setting the franchise back

[djsFlames]

6 years of The Process™


The one thing they've done consistently throughout is run with either rookie or middle of the road, cheap coaching hires.

Team: third underwhelming first round exit with this core

Treliving: *extends Wardo*


What is the definition of insanity, Mr. Treliving?

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

No chance Tre calls up owners saying he needs to replace coach. They would just give him his pink slip. Ward is the coach till the end of year. If flames miss playoffs I can almost guarantee you it will cost Tre his job. I really like Tre but he hitched his wagon to the wrong guy.

If the Flames are still on the hook for the last year of Bill Peters' contract, that would be:

$2M for Peters
$0.9M for Ward
$??M for the interim or new coach

Three head coaches on the payroll for 2020-21 season is a terrible look for Treliving.

Not a chance he gets rid of Ward this season, even though Ward is a terrible substitute for a real coach.


Treliving's resistance to hiring a quality coach is mind bottling though. The chances of Gaudreau and Chucky re-signing here would probably increase a little with a competent coach at the helm and some playoff success.

[Manhattanboy]

Now is the time. Even if we claw into the playoffs we will get destroyed. This core has talent but not drive. It’s a fractured season without fans. We inked a legit number one goalie to build around. Long term a rebuild is inevitable. JG is done here in a year. Chucky is on a bridge so there’s no guarantee. Are we really going to re-sign Monahan?

Ownership has to know that big changes are coming. Is Tre the guy? If no start the GM search now because there’s going to be a ton of work to do.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ain’t happening. Not with the off season they had and current make up of the team

[Manhattanboy]

We should start a prediction thread as to which of the current roster will be lacing up the blades on opening night of the new event centre.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We should start a prediction thread as to which of the current roster will be lacing up the blades on opening night of the new event centre.

Andersson, Valimaki, Lindholm, Markstrom.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We should start a prediction thread as to which of the current roster will be lacing up the blades on opening night of the new event centre.

Isn't that still four years away? With how high turnover is for every NHL team; with how quickly things change from one year to the next this is an impossible task.

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[Manhattanboy]

Andersson
Dube
Hanifin
Lindholm
Mangiapane
Valimaki
Marskstrom

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Isn't that still four years away? With how high turnover is for every NHL team; with how quickly things change from one year to the next this is an impossible task.

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Well we could look back three years as a comparison....

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ain’t happening. Not with the off season they had and current make up of the team

Makes you think what will be the next step in another disappointing season? Considering you have an all-star caliber goalie locked up - who's age means that he should be in his prime for at least a few more seasons - it is kinda foolish to do a rebuild. But it would be now several consecutive seasons that the core has failed.

A lot of blame could be placed on coaching since it's not like any of the past three have had strong resume to prove they are good caliber NHL coaches. So you could just change the coach alone to a proven one (haha, yeah right) to give it one last shot with the core largely intact. But I don't believe that the problems is primarily coaching. I think the core's ceiling is just too low to really amount to anything since it's lacking two high impact skaters that give the opposing teams fits every game.

With some core player contracts expiring within the next two seasons, you could try retooling by offloading those who aren't part of the long term plans, but then you're wasting years of Markstrom's peak since you're likely regressing rather than improving instantly. And if the retool option is selected, Treliving shouldn't be the GM to do it since he's the one that has built this underperforming roster.

I feel as a quick guess that if this season is once again a first round exit or no playoffs at all, that the most likely (or rather hopeful) change that will occur is bringing in a highly acclaimed coach to try to make one more attempt of generating spark with the core, before big changes with the core is taken.

[Roof-Daddy]

The rebuild missed the mark IMO.

They're a competitive team but not a true contender. They have lots of good players, but the elite aren't quite elite enough and they're certainly not elite down the middle where they need to be.

Plus they don't have a true #1 Dman who can take over a game. Gio is too old, and while Hanifin, Andersson and Valimaki are good young dmen, none of them are elite #1s yet and may never reach that level either.

Oh, Treliving also never hired an elite coach either.

They won't blow it up though. Going to tinker around the edges hoping to catch lightning in a bottle one year before the main core is all either too old, too expensive or gone altogether.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The rebuild missed the mark IMO.

They're a competitive team but not a true contender. They have lots of good players, but the elite aren't quite elite enough and they're certainly not elite down the middle where they need to be.

Plus they don't have a true #1 Dman who can take over a game. Gio is too old, and while Hanifin, Andersson and Valimaki are good young dmen, none of them are elite #1s yet and may never reach that level either.

Oh, Treliving also never hired an elite coach either.

They won't blow it up though. Going to tinker around the edges hoping to catch lightning in a bottle one year before the main core is all either too old, too expensive or gone altogether.

Sneak into the playoffs, draft mediocre, stay mediocre. Sweet!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Makes you think what will be the next step in another disappointing season? Considering you have an all-star caliber goalie locked up - who's age means that he should be in his prime for at least a few more seasons - it is kinda foolish to do a rebuild. But it would be now several consecutive seasons that the core has failed.

A lot of blame could be placed on coaching since it's not like any of the past three have had strong resume to prove they are good caliber NHL coaches. So you could just change the coach alone to a proven one (haha, yeah right) to give it one last shot with the core largely intact. But I don't believe that the problems is primarily coaching. I think the core's ceiling is just too low to really amount to anything since it's lacking two high impact skaters that give the opposing teams fits every game.

With some core player contracts expiring within the next two seasons, you could try retooling by offloading those who aren't part of the long term plans, but then you're wasting years of Markstrom's peak since you're likely regressing rather than improving instantly. And if the retool option is selected, Treliving shouldn't be the GM to do it since he's the one that has built this underperforming roster.

I feel as a quick guess that if this season is once again a first round exit or no playoffs at all, that the most likely (or rather hopeful) change that will occur is bringing in a highly acclaimed coach to try to make one more attempt of generating spark with the core, before big changes with the core is taken.

The obvious move is to re-shape the forwards. That's the thing that hasn't been done (with the roster, not getting into the coaching item).

I think the team has goaltending now solved for the next few years, and the blueline is solid.

But the forward group is the group that either takes a step this season (won't know until the post-season) or you have to change out some of those big names. There are major decisions coming with all 3 of Monahan, Gaudreau and Tkachuk the create a natural pinch point for that too.

I don't like the forward group. Haven't for a while.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The rebuild missed the mark IMO.

They tried to kick open the window too fast and it burned them. Yes the Sam pick was a factor too, but if they were more patient the could have offset that with a couple other higher picks.

The only funny thing is that after watching that happen the Canucks went and made the EXACT SAME MISTAKE.

Stupid Canucks learning from the Stupid Flames.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't like the forward group. Haven't for a while.

Oh I second this for sure, forwards lack emotion and are way to inconsistent.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They tried to kick open the window too fast and it burned them. Yes the Sam pick was a factor too, but if they were more patient the could have offset that with a couple other higher picks.



The only funny thing is that after watching that happen the Canucks went and made the EXACT SAME MISTAKE.



Stupid Canucks learning from the Stupid Flames.

I think these are small factors, but the same truth is that rebuilding is extremely difficult, and nearly impossible to design. Many more fail than come close to succeeding.

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