[PGT] Flames lay an egg

[skcli]

If Keystone XL can be cancelled I say the rosters can be changed. You just need the guts and determination to quiet the crying wolves once you put the so call first liners and future captain on the trading block. Whatever you cannot do right now is to let the current rosters stay put and hope things will work out. One example is the bump back play to #13 on every single PP. If I do that in my work place and fail every time, the pink slip will be on my desk within a few weeks. A sport team is built to win and entertain, not creating frustrations and angers after every game year after year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think Ward is the solution. But “better” coaching is not any kind of game changer. Saying the roster is what it is doesn’t change that. Unless you get Trotz, the record is going to be the same, and maybe even with him (the Isles are 6-4-3 with a negative goal differential).

I don’t know...Ask Barkov and Huberdeau if Quenneville has made a difference for them the last two seasons.

Boudreau and Gallant are top level coaches that have that type of impact on a team. There is a reason Ward is the lowest paid head coach in the NHL.

[tvp2003]

I’m excited for Monday. Because we’ll probably win 5-1, the power play will go 2 for 3, and Leivo will score the GWG.

It’s the Calgary way, every single season. Rinse and repeat...

[flambers]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I’m excited for Monday. Because we’ll probably win 5-1, the power play will go 2 for 3, and Leivo will score the GWG.

It’s the Calgary way, every single season. Rinse and repeat...

I hope so, so far its hard watching the Flames....

Canucks should be 2 - 0 in the 4 game series..

It would be nice if the Flames were the better team, in at least one of the games.

[Red]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I’m excited for Monday. Because we’ll probably win 5-1, the power play will go 2 for 3, and Leivo will score the GWG.

It’s the Calgary way, every single season. Rinse and repeat...

And the apologists will come out hard and say "see, I told you this team was awesome and Ward is great" ......and then off to the next game on Wednesday

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Oh do you mean the Caps who were perennial President Trophy contenders/winners and playoff locks whom featured one of the top players in NHL history surrounded by an all star cast? Ok. Like where do we begin to compare this current Flames group to that?

Well, the team did finish with the second most points in the league less than two years ago.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

Sure they didn't win every game under Peters but he proved what you could pull out of this core over the course of an 82 game season, and that's what the argument now is really all about.

It feels rather gross to be pining over Bill Peters. Yes that a fabulous regular season under him, but I also remember:

They tailed off considerably after the all star game.
They were absolutely steamrollered in the playoffs by a team that lost in the next round. I'd say the Flames performed better in the playoffs vs Dallas under Ward.
They were 12-12-4 under him the next season. We'll never know if they would have turned things around but I saw plenty of signs that team was utterly disinterested in playing for him.

My conclusions from this are that the Flames are simply not as good as their 2018-19 regular season record would indicate. Even bad teams have good stretches and that was a decent team having an extended great stretch. Peters deserves credit as clearly the new voice and change in approach had a positive effect. But IMO it was not sustainable.

When it comes to coaches, maybe it's time we stop putting them in one of two buckets. The hard coach or the players coach. Maybe in fact there's a lot more nuance to a coach's approach than that.

[jlh2640]

Frustrating loss based on effort alone, we knew Vancouver was gonna come out flying. But 1-1 hockey game late in the third that is where we have to find a way to get a point out of the game at a minimum. Classic late blown lead. I hope to see some type of response tomorrow

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The Canucks haven’t won in 6 games, and threw all they had at it, and barely eked out a win, so they are desperate and relieved

The Flames are 3-1 in their last 4 now and have 2 more games against the Canucks who may be challenged to keep up the one game intensity

It’s perspective and composure. Grown ups have it

Except the Flames were dominated. To say the Canucks barely eked out a win is disingenuous, when they could easily have won 6-0. Flames were lucky to win las game too.

So the Canucks tried hard last night. Can’t the Flames put in an effort too?


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Except the Flames were dominated. To say the Canucks barely eked out a win is disingenuous, when they could easily have won 6-0. Flames were lucky to win las game too.

So the Canucks tried hard last night. Can’t the Flames put in an effort too?


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Sorry I dont believe that.

The Canucks put so many low quality shots on net (or phantom shots) that i don't think they could've easily won 6-0. At least not if your goalie is competent.

Their neutral zone play was effective in leading to zone time but offensively they were far from impressive.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sorry I dont believe that.

The Canucks put so many low quality shots on net (or phantom shots) that i don't think they could've easily won 6-0. At least not if your goalie is competent.

Their neutral zone play was effective in leading to zone time but offensively they were far from impressive.

To some degree that is correct, but the scoring chances and high danger scoring chances heavily favoured the Canucks.


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[Harry Lime]

What would the forward ranks look like if they were put together by GAF?

Probably exactly as they are now. I would just trade out the bottom line for rookies, or hungry players. Our energy line right now sucks the energy out of the team. This is assuming that Backlund is out a couple of games, and Leivo moves up in the lineup somewhere.

Robinson - Gawdin - Phillips and thank you.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I find the fact that people call out the bump back play to be kind of funny

It’s almost as if it is the only set play they can easily recognize, so they jump on it.

(Not everybody, but some people)

Shall we all talk about timeouts now?

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

The Valimaki-Mackey PK complaint seems weird since there were no PP goals against. This seems to me to be complaining about something which worked.

So because the dumb decision, IMO, happened to work that time, I shouldn't complain about that dumb decision?

Because the Flames world class goalie happened to shut down the Canucks, that time, I am shouldn't complain about that dumb decision?

By that definition, we are only allowed to complain about deployment decisions if there is a goal allowed. Make sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don’t know...Ask Barkov and Huberdeau if Quenneville has made a difference for them the last two seasons.

Boudreau and Gallant are top level coaches that have that type of impact on a team. There is a reason Ward is the lowest paid head coach in the NHL.

Boudreau maybe - except his teams got bounced pretty regularly in the POs the last few years which is the complaint here all the time. And Gallant - no. 1 good year in each of his locations, and the rest was pretty ordinary.

Q - sure, he’s up there with Trotz. But that’s a short list.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Boudreau maybe - except his teams got bounced pretty regularly in the POs the last few years which is the complaint here all the time. And Gallant - no. 1 good year in each of his locations, and the rest was pretty ordinary.

Q - sure, he’s up there with Trotz. But that’s a short list.

So hire Gallant for a year then trade out whatever rotten pieces are in the core in the offseason. I know, easier said than done Hahaha.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Or to shorten the bench and roll 3 lines.

They still needed a centre, no?

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Boudreau maybe - except his teams got bounced pretty regularly in the POs the last few years which is the complaint here all the time. And Gallant - no. 1 good year in each of his locations, and the rest was pretty ordinary.

Q - sure, he’s up there with Trotz. But that’s a short list.

Playoff success is somewhat random and depends a lot on goaltending and luck. Give me the guy that wins in the regular season consistently every day of the week.

Boudreau has:

- A .635 career winning percentage. Behind only Scotty Bowman for coaches who have coached over 600 games

- 8 division titles with 2 different teams ( More than the Flames have in their history)

- 8 100 point seasons with with three different teams (More 100 point seasons than the Flames have in their history)

I'd kill for this organization to have the consistent success Boudreau has had in his career.

Even his playoff failures are overstated...https://thehockeywriters.com/what-br...f-performance/

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

They still needed a centre, no?

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The loss of Backlund so early is not discussed enough. It really messed things up. The general rule is you make as few changes as possible to the lines in game, so after trying Bennett for a shift or two he had to go with Froese. Not ideal and it neutered the best line from the last 3 games.

With a practice or two it wouldn’t hurt as bad but it sure caused a problem in game

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Playoff success is somewhat random and depends a lot on goaltending and luck. Give me the guy that wins in the regular season consistently every day of the week.

Boudreau has:

- A .635 career winning percentage. Behind only Scotty Bowman for coaches who have coached over 600 games

- 8 division titles with 2 different teams ( More than the Flames have in their history)

- 8 100 point seasons with with three different teams (More 100 point seasons than the Flames have in their history)

I'd kill for this organization to have the consistent success Boudreau has had in his career.

Even his playoff failures are overstated...https://thehockeywriters.com/what-br...f-performance/

I think Boudreau is probably the best available coach. But with that PO record, he’d have been heavily criticized here.

He did, of course, have the benefit of teams with Prime Ovie and Backstrom and Prime Getzlaf and Perry. Each with great supporting casts. With Minnie he had great regular seasons but got bounced in 5 and was OOP once.