[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s got 1 goal in 3 games.

What are your expectations? About .5ppg should be about the absolute max. Micheal Ferland scored 25 points and 41 points in seasons he played with Johnny and Sean.

Bennett is not a Lindholm-quality player. He’s a Ferland quality player. He’s the third wheel. He’s the complimentary player.

In the 3 games, I think he’s been solid enough. It’ll be interesting to see what it looks like after a 10 game sample. If he has 4 points, that’s pretty good. 3 points while the team keeps piling up the wins and his two line mates continue to produce? Good enough.

Since the beginning of last year the Flames (now it would equal a full season) have employed 21 different forwards.

These are the guys Bennett (.22) has a higher ppg than

Buddy Robinson (.20)
Tobias Reider (.18)
Josh Leivo (.17)
Mark Jankowski (.13)
Alan Quine (.11)
Joakim Nordstrom (0.0)
Dominik Simon (0.0)

Rinaldo, Czarnik, and Froese are among guys ahead of him

He is 9th in ice time of the 21...by nearly 200 minutes compare to the next guy on that list

Sam has looked good/OK on the SM line the last 3 games(though i thought he struggled a bit last night even if he wasnt alone in that) but there is still much more to contribute and i am not sure that 4 pts every 10 games is really a great bench mark. Nor even that attainable considering his NHL scoring history.

I will say though that after all that he might still be the best option on the roster now, but that goes towards another massive issue on this team as constructed...a complete dearth of even decent RW/RS options.

He has a tremendous opportunity right now but he has to produce. 1 pt every 3 games is not that.

Here is to hoping something clicks and the whole line goes bonkers offensively though. The Canucks should be a good tonic for that.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

So it doesn't matter to you that he had 8 points in the bubble (tied for the most on the team) and was a +4. It also doesn't matter to you that he's a .63 point/game player in his playoff career. Hmm...

Remember back in 2002 when Marc Savard was traded away because it was felt that he wore out his welcome here? He went on to become one of the most prolific players in the NHL. Maybe this management group doesn't want to see history repeat itself...

I like Bennett and hope for the best but I do find that a lot of his points in the playoffs are rather flukey. He gets a LOT of bounces in the playoffs and no bounces in the regular season.

He is a perplexing player to judge to be sure. Some shifts he creates offense, some shifts he kills it. One thing is for sure, he has very poor finish, don’t know if that’s a lack of confidence. Im sure someone will reply and post a couple of his goals where he dangled and scored top shelf, but even Krystoff Oliwa and Chris Simon had a few of those. His bread and butter seems to be crashing and banging, and when’s he’s not doing that or when he’s trying to be too fancy, he’s not nearly as effective.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by 868904

I like Bennett and hope for the best but I do find that a lot of his points in the playoffs are rather flukey. He gets a LOT of bounces in the playoffs and no bounces in the regular season.

He is a perplexing player to judge to be sure. Some shifts he creates offense, some shifts he kills it. One thing is for sure, he has very poor finish, don’t know if that’s a lack of confidence. Im sure someone will reply and post a couple of his goals where he dangled and scored top shelf, but even Krystoff Oliwa and Chris Simon had a few of those. His bread and butter seems to be crashing and banging, and when’s he’s not doing that or when he’s trying to be too fancy, he’s not nearly as effective.

His shot is terrible for an NHL forward, that's the problem.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

So it doesn't matter to you that he had 8 points in the bubble (tied for the most on the team) and was a +4. It also doesn't matter to you that he's a .63 point/game player in his playoff career. Hmm...

I suspect that Bennett's regular season production is a bigger factor in his trade value than his playoff numbers.

Remember back in 2002 when Marc Savard was traded away because it was felt that he wore out his welcome here? He went on to become one of the most prolific players in the NHL. Maybe this management group doesn't want to see history repeat itself...

You are not seriously comparing Bennett to Savard, are you? Savard established himself as a bonafide top-six NHL centre with top-line upside prior to the trade. Sam Bennett has not come remotely close to that sort of distinction.

I am certain that the Flames are not the least bit concerned about Bennett turning into a player as effective as Marc Savard. Sure, they need to be careful to get good value for him, but this is not at all likely to be a true that results in Bennett suddenly becoming a star forward. He just isn't, and he won't be.

[David Struch]

So, am I the only one who is going to bring it up, on the game winner last night...

Tlyler Myers walked through Sam Bennett twice like he was nothing.

7:25
https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/cgy...7092/c-7516959

[ComixZone]

The entire team was getting stuck in their own zone last night. It could have happened to any of them.

Bennett also scored our only goal, and has 2G in 4 games since getting an opportunity.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So, am I the only one who is going to bring it up, on the game winner last night...

Tlyler Myers walked through Sam Bennett twice like he was nothing.

7:25
https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/cgy...7092/c-7516959

Except he didn't. Bennett had him somewhat checked though might have also been a bit tangled with the linesman. Leivo could have easily checked the puck but he did a limp fly-by.

Once in the zone, Bennett poked the puck, but it bounced back to Myers.

Bennett could have done more, but he didn't do much 'wrong'.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^Nah, Bennett was outbattled pretty easily twice in a row. You could try and pin it on another forward who wan't directly battling Myers for the puck, but really Sam should shoulder a lot of the blame. Just not enough compete level defensively, which is what we've seen from him over the years.

[Lanny_McDonald]

You mean except for lose the initial puck battle with Myers outside the blueline, then half ass it back, then poke his stick in when he had the opportunity to lay the body on Myers, then have his controller turn off? Bennett was central to two opportunities to prevent that and he failed both, against Tyler ####ing Myers. I thought the one thing that made Sam so important to this team was his physical play and tenacity? He got schooled by Tyler ####ing Myers twice on the same play. One of those maddening inconsistencies in Bennett’s game.

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Monaghan gave to puck away in the first place I thought.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Monahan wasn’t even on the ice.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Half assing it back to the point where Rasmus had to step up to take Bennett’s guy is a massive defensive failure.

[Jaydee]

That entire play was Leivo's fault because he couldnt clear it up ice. Why was Sam even playing on that line? Fire ward imo

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

Monahan wasn’t even on the ice.

I wondered about that, because I never rewatched it. In the GT a half dozen people were yelling at Monahan. Maybe their feed was delayed and they were talking about a different play but it was confusing. Or else they saw the 27 or the 93 and thought one of them was 23.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

That entire play was Leivo's fault because he couldnt clear it up ice. Why was Sam even playing on that line? Fire ward imo

For as crap as Levio was last night, he actually managed to clear the zone and get it to Bennett, who was then closed on by Myers. Myers won that puck battle and the play was off. For all the times Levio couldn't get the puck out of our zone last night, this was not one of them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

For as crap as Levio was last night, he actually managed to clear the zone and get it to Bennett, who was then closed on by Myers. Myers won that puck battle and the play was off. For all the times Levio couldn't get the puck out of our zone last night, this was not one of them.

Leivo was actually semi-tripped on the way to that puck which is why he didn’t have as much time to make a decent pass.

[kyuss275]

Bennett coasting ( and that’s putting it lightly) on the 2nd goal was pathetic . I watched the Miller /holtby stare down for lack of effort. This was not quite as bad but it was close.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Bennett coasting ( and that’s putting it lightly) on the 2nd goal was pathetic . I watched the Miller /holtby stare down for lack of effort. This was not quite as bad but it was close.

I watched this replay and I have to ask, how long was that shift? Because they all looked gassed AF. Honestly looked like that was the end of a long shift.

Not defending anybody here, I didn't watch the game and am curious.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I watched this replay and I have to ask, how long was that shift? Because they all looked gassed AF. Honestly looked like that was the end of a long shift.

Not defending anybody here, I didn't watch the game and am curious.

Looks like it was 1:11 for Bennett, Lucic, and Leivo on that goal.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I watched this replay and I have to ask, how long was that shift? Because they all looked gassed AF. Honestly looked like that was the end of a long shift.

Not defending anybody here, I didn't watch the game and am curious.

I think the whole team was gassed by that point. That's what happens when you are hemmed in your own zone chasing the puck all game.