The Mandalorian SPOILERS

[Locke]

I liked her Character, I dont know anything about the actress and I dont twitter, but seriously, you're working for Disney and they are gladly handing you money....how hard is it to just STFU and take it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I looked a little more into this, and I'm just so, so glad I'm not anywhere near Twitter. Man, that place is a toxic s***hole. Looks like it was a death by a thousand cuts thing, as folks have been howling for Gina's head for a while now.

I kinda felt that the "beep/bop/boop" thing was kinda funny, though perhaps not in the best of taste, especially for a public figure.

It's definitely not funny, as the whole reason for stating your pronouns is you're either trans or a cisgender person helping to normalize it for people who are trans. I'm sure it was an attempt to mock the performative wokeness of some people who do it, but you end up mocking everyone else who do it for genuine reasons. It's also a bit of a slap in the face to Pedro Pascal whose sister is a trans woman.

That said, I don't think Gina is or was a terrible person. Her posts, from what I've seen, look like she's a pretty stupid person who fell into an echo chamber and got lost in it. She wasn't above helping or showing kindness (there's the story following the beep/bop thing where she apologised after Pedro helped educate her on why it's important). So, it's a shame Disney fired her, but Disney is also a business and she said enough stupid things and trolled enough people that at a certain point what she adds to the franchise is not worth what she takes away from the company.

Generally speaking, these things don't surprise me and I think they're deserved, but I wish more and more that people and businesses would help get people out of these bubbles, instead of just casting them aside. I also wish more people would be open to listening.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's definitely not funny, as the whole reason for stating your pronouns is you're either trans or a cisgender person helping to normalize it for people who are trans. I'm sure it was an attempt to mock the performative wokeness of some people who do it, but you end up mocking everyone else who do it for genuine reasons. It's also a bit of a slap in the face to Pedro Pascal whose sister is a trans woman.

That said, I don't think Gina is or was a terrible person. Her posts, from what I've seen, look like she's a pretty stupid person who fell into an echo chamber and got lost in it. She wasn't above helping or showing kindness (there's the story following the beep/bop thing where she apologised after Pedro helped educate her on why it's important). So, it's a shame Disney fired her, but Disney is also a business and she said enough stupid things and trolled enough people that at a certain point what she adds to the franchise is not worth what she takes away from the company.

Generally speaking, these things don't surprise me and I think they're deserved, but I wish more and more that people and businesses would help get people out of these bubbles, instead of just casting them aside. I also wish more people would be open to listening.

the thing is you can tell these people "this is the way" until you're blue in the face, until they choose to accept that they've gone down a rabbit hole and they choose to come out there isn't much you can do.

there is a guy i've known for probably 25 years that i hadn't seen for quite a while. this past late summer/early fall he was doing some work on my neighbour's house and he popped by to say hi when i was working outside. we chatted for a bit and all i could say was wow - lay off the trump koolaid!! it didn't matter what proof/fact i had to counter his points - all my points were just fake news. until he realizes he's been duped there really isn't much you can say to a guy like that. unfortunately, he needs to come to that conclusion on his own.

[chemgear]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324385598539399168

https://twitter.com/user/status/1327847267101933569

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

No, that is absolutely a difference in political opinions. Tweeting those opinions isn't "violent". Nothing in those tweets is "white supremacist", and the fact that white supremacists use parler doesn't make her a supporter of theirs if she does too. That response is completely idiotic.

I mean, Carano's clearly pretty dumb too, but that doesn't excuse the tweet.

[GreenLantern]

Careful... there are a lot of those left extremists on this forum. It's why I only stick to these kinds of threads.

The thing about it is in a lot of situations something as a whole means a lot more than one representative. We associate our opinions on things with what we automatically identify as the most extreme or negative part of that whole.. meanwhile the reference itself could be to the say decades of history behind that whole, but we zero in on that one negative part. If we are just doing that, then we could find it offensive to literally talk about anything.

We need to be less extreme on the left or the right, center ourselves and be objective of focusing on the negativity.

I know I am as guilty of it as the next person..

Any who, how bout them Bespin Gassers, think they will win the next sporting match?

[blankall]

Thought about this for a few days before commenting, and I just find the whole thing so very odd. Disney, a major multi-national corporation with a questionable ethical history, that includes cowing to the Chinese dictatorship, is the champion of the left wing now?

46.9% of voters voted for Trump. Are we so fragile that we can't watch a show if one of the cast members voted for Trump?

Of all the things she's said, the only one I found truly offensive was the "Beep, boop, bop" comment. That was more in the realm of extreme insensitivity than promoting hatred though. The final straw was a holocaust comparison? How often do people bring up the Nazi/Holocaust comparison? Why is this one all of a sudden the one where people finally realize that comparing someone with differing political views to systematic genocide is offensive (it is by the way)? How many times have I heard Trump compared to Hitler?

I don't agree with Carano, and think she just sounds just plainly stupid. However, I just don't get how things got so divided that merely stating you are one of the 46.9% of voters who voted for Trump is enough to get you fired.

If you truly believe in any of the values of the left, you'd assume the bigger issue would be the existence of a corporation like Disney. I remember in the mid-90s, when I was just becoming aware of social activism, corporations like Disney, McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Nike, etc.. were the main targets of social activism, and rightfully so. How the F did things become so warped that supporting the left now means supporting Disney over someone's right to freedom of speech.

[Locke]

Disney is about 1 thing and 1 thing only.

"Make as much money as possible."

They'll pretend to be woke, they'll pretend to be diverse, they'll pretend to be your long-lost sister if you're willing to pay them.

Disney has no principles and its hilarious that people think they do.

What they have in lieu of principles is insane amounts of money.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Disney is about 1 thing and 1 thing only.

"Make as much money as possible."

They'll pretend to be woke, they'll pretend to be diverse, they'll pretend to be your long-lost sister if you're willing to pay them.

Disney has no principles and its hilarious that people think they do.

What they have in lieu of principles is insane amounts of money.

Agreed. Disney has a long history of supporting whatever politics are in fashion. They have no morals.

Basically, the point behind my post was that we should be less concerned with an idiot on the microphone, and more concerned with Disney taking away the microphone.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Agreed. Disney has a long history of supporting whatever politics are in fashion. They have no morals.

Basically, the point behind my post was that we should be less concerned with an idiot on the microphone, and more concerned with Disney taking away the microphone.

I also find it astounding that people love this 'Family Oriented' Company that basically made its fortune on animated children's fairy tales that were Public Domain.

I mean...its brilliant. I wish I'd thought of it. But that doesnt make them some wholesome family brand.

They are the Evil Empire and thinking they're not is just delusional.

[Looch City]

You find it astounding that one of the most successful entertainment companies is loved by the public who enjoy said entertainment?

Who cares if they're evil if they gimme more Star Wars!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Looch City

You find it astounding that one of the most successful entertainment companies is loved by the public who enjoy said entertainment?

Who cares if they're evil if they gimme more Star Wars!

Oh hey man, you're preaching to the converted!

Marvel, Star Wars, Mandalorian, I get it. I sold my soul and I've made peace with it. But at least I know I've sold it and to whom.

I'm not under any delusion that I sold my soul to someone good only to be surprised later.

[sleepingmoose]

Originally Posted by blankall

Basically, the point behind my post was that we should be less concerned with an idiot on the microphone, and more concerned with Disney taking away the microphone.

It's not like they've taken away her right to say what she wants - she's welcome to keep spewing her nonsense on Twitter or Parler. In fact, she already came out today to announce her 'great' new project on conservative The Daily Wire.

She doesn't have the right to her acting role on the Mandalorian, especially since I'm sure she had some sort of morals clause in her contract (assuming she even still had a contract). Disney isn't telling her she can't use a microphone, they're just saying she can't use theirs anymore.

[KTrain]

Making her own movie now that will be released exclusively to the members the conservative website The Daily Wire...


Gina Carano Hits Back, Announces New Movie Project With Ben Shapiro’s Daily Wire: “They Can’t Cancel Us If We Don’t Let Them”

Less than 24 hours after her explosive ouster from Star Wars series The Mandalorian for incendiary social media posts, Gina Carano has hit back at her detractors and revealed a new movie project she is making with conservative website The Daily Wire.

Carano told us today: “The Daily Wire is helping make one of my dreams — to develop and produce my own film — come true. I cried out and my prayer was answered. I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same. They can’t cancel us if we don’t let them.”

Carano will develop, produce, and star in the upcoming film, which The Daily Wire says it will release exclusively to its members as the company looks to bolster its entertainment division.

https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-ca...re-1234692971/

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by sleepingmoose

It's not like they've taken away her right to say what she wants - she's welcome to keep spewing her nonsense on Twitter or Parler. In fact, she already came out today to announce her 'great' new project on conservative The Daily Wire.

She doesn't have the right to her acting role on the Mandalorian, especially since I'm sure she had some sort of morals clause in her contract (assuming she even still had a contract). Disney isn't telling her she can't use a microphone, they're just saying she can't use theirs anymore.

What is the expectation now...that every single person in a corporation have the exact same viewpoint, level of intelligence and behaviour on everything? Is society at the point where it's impossible to work with anyone who differs from you politically, or said some dumb things once, or you generally dislike? How can any organization function like that? How can a society function like that?

Disney has 77,000 employees (did a quick google search). Should they go through and assess the tweets, political leanings and general idiocy of every one of those people? Shouldn't they all have to pass the purity test?

Her tweets are dumb. I think she enjoys playing the contrarian to excessive wokism, which many people who lean right do. But allegations that she is promoting violence and discrimination are really flimsy.

[ResAlien]

This is simple. Like Locke said she F’d with the money, you don’t F with the money. The cries of cancel culture ring hollow as reasons to whine. She couldn’t shut up long enough to have Disney hand her all the money in the world. She’s an idiot; not for her silly political and gross social views but because she couldn’t control herself on social media long enough to rake in all that sweet sweet Disney cash. You’ll excuse me if I don’t shed a tear for her plight.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What is the expectation now...that every single person in a corporation have the exact same viewpoint, level of intelligence and behaviour on everything? Is society at the point where it's impossible to work with anyone who differs from you politically, or said some dumb things once, or you generally dislike? How can any organization function like that? How can a society function like that?

Disney has 77,000 employees (did a quick google search). Should they go through and assess the tweets, political leanings and general idiocy of every one of those people? Shouldn't they all have to pass the purity test?

Her tweets are dumb. I think she enjoys playing the contrarian to excessive wokism, which many people who lean right do. But allegations that she is promoting violence and discrimination are really flimsy.

Lets just put the post that got her fired side by side your last paragraph

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children,” the post said. “Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

Here is Disney's official reason for firing her stupid ass

“Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future,” a Lucasfilm spokesperson said in a statement. “Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

So no, Disney never said it was dangerous, they said it was abhorrent.

As for your very stupid comment

Disney has 77,000 employees (did a quick google search). Should they go through and assess the tweets, political leanings and general idiocy of every one of those people? Shouldn't they all have to pass the purity test?

No, but if one of their employees start trending for wrongly invoking the holocausts, or they say something that reflects poorly on their employer and there is a public outcry loud enough to get the big mouse's attention, they will be looked at.

This is nothing but common sense.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Mull

Lets just put the post that got her fired side by side your last paragraph



Here is Disney's official reason for firing her stupid ass



So no, Disney never said it was dangerous, they said it was abhorrent.

As for your very stupid comment


No, but if one of their employees start trending for wrongly invoking the holocausts, and it gets the big mouse's attention, they will be looked at.

This is nothing but common sense.

Lol...wow, my very stupid comment. You can't even engage in a civil discussion yet you are so certain of your own virtue. Classic.

Also, for anyone with basic reading comprehension, she didn't denigrate a religious group, at least not with that tweet. Like I said...its a really dumb tweet with a dumb comparison. But Disney's explanation for getting rid of her isn't displayed there. They should just be honest and say the bowed to twitter pressure or they don't like her. At least it would be honest.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Lol...wow, my very stupid comment. You can't even engage in a civil discussion yet you are so certain of your own virtue. Classic.

You honestly don't see the difference in Disney acting over the public outcry over a very public actor and them being expected by society to comb through 70,000 employee social media sites?

They may do comb through their employee social media anyway, but you honestly think that expectation because of the current example is a fair comparison and not very stupid?

[sleepingmoose]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What is the expectation now...that every single person in a corporation have the exact same viewpoint, level of intelligence and behaviour on everything? Is society at the point where it's impossible to work with anyone who differs from you politically, or said some dumb things once, or you generally dislike? How can any organization function like that? How can a society function like that?

Disney has 77,000 employees (did a quick google search). Should they go through and assess the tweets, political leanings and general idiocy of every one of those people? Shouldn't they all have to pass the purity test?

Her tweets are dumb. I think she enjoys playing the contrarian to excessive wokism, which many people who lean right do. But allegations that she is promoting violence and discrimination are really flimsy.

A Disney employee is different than an actor that works with Disney - she's essentially an independent contractor. She works on the project she's contracted for, then isn't an employee anymore. It's a lot different than the custodian sweeping at Disneyland. The project is done, so they have every right to say they don't want to use her services again.

If you hire a plumber to fix your toilet, then afterwards find out he's someone who's values don't match with your current values, you don't have to keep hiring him back to fix your toilet in perpetuity.

Lots of employers have a social media policy, so I would expect that every employee would be subject to the same scrutiny - assuming they identify themselves as a Disney employee, they would be subject to discipline if their actions reflect poorly on Disney. They may not search the Twitter of everyone, but if they get a complaint, they would investigate - just as they likely did with Carano. It's easy to see what she's doing because there's hashtags for it. She was clearly involved with Disney because she's in a high profile role, so whatever she Tweets reflects poorly on them.