Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And even against Ottawa they deserved to lose two of those games and probably would have if Ottawa had a shooter tutor in net.

Honestly a shooter tutor would have been better than Hogberg was in the game against the Oilers. I've never seen a goalie move out of the way and lose his net as poorly has Hogberg did in those games.

Ottawa should be investigated for intentionally tanking if they keep putting him out there.

Putting in a scrub goalie was how Pittsburgh tanked for Sid.

Completely OT but I’ve played pickup games with one goalie and a tutor switching teams at half time, because we couldn’t find a second goalie - and damn if the tutor isn’t almost always the harder opponent.

[SuperMatt18]

Technically they were tanking for Malkin / Ovy that season and just got lucky to get Sid too coming out of the lockout.

Honestly I still think that 2005 Draft lottery was rigged.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Technically they were tanking for Malkin / Ovy that season and just got lucky to get Sid too coming out of the lockout.

Honestly I still think that 2005 Draft lottery was rigged.

I still don't see how it would have been possible. 30 team representatives were in attendance to observe the lottery, which was conducted by a highly respected accounting firm. I can't imagine that every team could not have known about a conspiracy, and I am certain that all would have refused to cooperate had they known. I also cannot see how an accounting firm would risk jeopardizing their own reputation by participating in a conspiracy.

Like most conspiracy theories, this one is just too elaborate to have pulled off. If this had actually happened, we would have known about it years ago.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Technically they were tanking for Malkin / Ovy that season and just got lucky to get Sid too coming out of the lockout.

Honestly I still think that 2005 Draft lottery was rigged.

I think I’m remembering completely wrong and it was the Mario draft. I remember they went with their worst minor league goalie to the end of the season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Technically they were tanking for Malkin / Ovy that season and just got lucky to get Sid too coming out of the lockout.

Honestly I still think that 2005 Draft lottery was rigged.

It was totally rigged.

That being said, Edmonton have won the Draft Lottery so many times recently I dont even know what to believe anymore.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Putting in a scrub goalie was how Pittsburgh tanked for Sid.

Completely OT but I’ve played pickup games with one goalie and a tutor switching teams at half time, because we couldn’t find a second goalie - and damn if the tutor isn’t almost always the harder opponent.

reminds me of that special about the tanking for Mario Lemieux. Pittsburghs rookie goalie wins a couple game and they send him to the minors. pretty clear message.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I still don't see how it would have been possible. 30 team representatives were in attendance to observe the lottery, which was conducted by a highly respected accounting firm. I can't imagine that every team could not have known about a conspiracy, and I am certain that all would have refused to cooperate had they known. I also cannot see how an accounting firm would risk jeopardizing their own reputation by participating in a conspiracy.

Like most conspiracy theories, this one is just too elaborate to have pulled off. If this had actually happened, we would have known about it years ago.

If they were going to rig it, Sid would have become a Ranger. The Penguins were among the four teams with the best chance of winning that lottery (with Buffalo, Columbus, and the Rangers). It doesn't require a grand conspiracy to explain how they won it.

People say that it was rigged to help Pittsburgh get their new arena, but plenty of teams have been able to get new arena deals finalized without having the best player in the game on their rosters. Besides, the Penguins already had Malkin and Fleury in the pipeline if they needed a top draft pick as the face of their rebuild to sell to the city.

Pittsburgh is one of the smallest markets in the league, so there's not a lot of incentive to the other 29 teams at the time to prop them up. There are a lot of teams that would have made a lot more sense for the league to prop up than Pittsburgh at that time. Chicago, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Atlanta would have all been better choices if you were going to rig it.

[Boreal]

Don't forget the Oilers tanking for McDavid by trading David Perron for a plug and a 1st (which they wasted on Reinhart).

Mac-T obviously punted on the season and further the identity that losing was acceptable.

The simplest way to prevent both tanking and repetitive tanking is to have a top 3 lottery with way better odds to the bottom 3 teams and when a team picks 1st or 2nd or 3rd, they're eliminated from the lottery for a set period of time, 1-3 years.

A basic starting point is to eliminate teams finishing 17-21 from even being in the lottery.

[Red]

If I recall correctly, the Oilers didnt tank to get McDavid. It was their best year in a while. In a normal year they would have picked 3rd to 5th I believe. They only had 11% chance to get him.

I just checked. Not their best, but one of the better ones in a while. Finished 28th.

How sad is that lol.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Red

If I recall correctly, the Oilers didnt tank to get McDavid. It was their best year in a while. In a normal year they would have picked 3rd to 5th I believe. They only had 11% chance to get him.

I just checked. Not their best, but one of the better ones in a while. Finished 28th.

How sad is that lol.

Yeah, they had a 10% shot and won. Imagine how bad they would be if they didn't win that lottery and ended up drafting Strome like PHX did. Craig McTavish might still be GM if the McDavid group didn't force a management change.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Yeah, they had a 10% shot and won. Imagine how bad they would be if they didn't win that lottery and ended up drafting Strome like PHX did. Craig McTavish might still be GM if the McDavid group didn't force a management change.

And wasn't that after the NHL tried to level off the odds of winning basically because of the Oilers?

It was just really bad luck for the NHL that the Oilers were the ones to win.

Without McDavid though, they may have drafted Eichel or Marner, and propbably would have been in the running for Matthews instead of JP. They probably would have been bad enough the following year to have a shot at Makar or Pettersson.

Hard to say how the butterfly effect of suckage would have played out. They would certainly have been a lot worse in the short term, but without McNugget, they may have have built a better team just by falling ass-backwards into it. Landing McDavid has pretty much ensured that they have zero depth and no flexibility.

[442scotty]

Oilers game delayed by an hour pending Covid results.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Oilers game delayed by an hour pending Covid results.

McDavid got the 'rona?

[442scotty]

I don’t know how to link the news or I would. It looks like one Edmonton player has entered Covid jail and they are awaiting tests on the team. So Edmonton

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t know how to link the news or I would. It looks like one Edmonton player has entered Covid jail and they are awaiting tests on the team. So Edmonton

If there is one player on that team likely to contract an illness its McDavid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

If there is one player on that team likely to contract an illness its McDavid.

I believe he already had it. Not sure how common it is to get it twice, but hey, McDavid can do anything. Just ask Cassie.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Red

If I recall correctly, the Oilers didnt tank to get McDavid. It was their best year in a while. In a normal year they would have picked 3rd to 5th I believe. They only had 11% chance to get him.

I just checked. Not their best, but one of the better ones in a while. Finished 28th.

How sad is that lol.

They had 62 points in 2014-15, the same as they had in 2010 and 2011. Those three seasons are the worst point totals the Oilers have ever had in an 82 game season which had the OT loser point.

In 2010, they finished 12 points behind the 29th team and in 2011, they finished 6 points back of 29th.

In 2015, they were 6 better than Arizona and 8 ahead of Buffalo.


I wouldn't say they didn't tank in 2015, they just got out-tanked by the Sabres and Coyotes and then got stupid lucky in the lottery.

[getbak]

Looks like it's Franken Berry...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1359962301013479427

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And wasn't that after the NHL tried to level off the odds of winning basically because of the Oilers?

It was just really bad luck for the NHL that the Oilers were the ones to win.

Without McDavid though, they may have drafted Eichel or Marner, and propbably would have been in the running for Matthews instead of JP. They probably would have been bad enough the following year to have a shot at Makar or Pettersson.

Hard to say how the butterfly effect of suckage would have played out. They would certainly have been a lot worse in the short term, but without McNugget, they may have have built a better team just by falling ass-backwards into it. Landing McDavid has pretty much ensured that they have zero depth and no flexibility.

Oilers were 3rd worst team that year. Buffalo got screwed out of Mcdavid and PHX out of Eichel. You are right potentially the Oilers could have grabbed Marner instead of Strome, but I think hockey draft magazines had Strome at 3, so they probably would have selected him.

That is where it would get interesting. Matthews probably went to Europe as a potential back up plan in case the Oilers won the lottery his year. That situation would have been interesting to watch upfold. Regarding the subsequent drafts, you know the Oilers would have destroyed those prospects.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I believe he already had it. Not sure how common it is to get it twice, but hey, McDavid can do anything. Just ask Cassie.

Has he had the Africanized version though? Theres always that!