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[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist but I just can't get over the negativity today.

GM has to go.
Coach has to go.
Players have tuned the coach out.

It's a 2-3 road trip, the team is inconsistent and annoying as hell, but I don't think the organization is considering sweeping change 10 games into a very strange season.

Maybe I need to get more mad? I just don't understand the extremes from some I guess.

I'm honestly supposed to believe that the coach that the players all loved and supported after the bubble playoff series is now the enemy in the dressing room after 10 games?

It's not about only 10 games that is not how a team is evaluated under the same coach and GM.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist but I just can't get over the negativity today.

GM has to go.
Coach has to go.
Players have tuned the coach out.

It's a 2-3 road trip, the team is inconsistent and annoying as hell, but I don't think the organization is considering sweeping change 10 games into a very strange season.

Maybe I need to get more mad? I just don't understand the extremes from some I guess.

I'm honestly supposed to believe that the coach that the players all loved and supported after the bubble playoff series is now the enemy in the dressing room after 10 games?

Is anyone calling him the enemy?

We are approaching the quarter pole of the season, not an unreasonable time to take stock of the team's progress. And even the most eternal optimist should be hoping for progress from previous seasons IMO.

I agree no reason to get mad. But I'm good with anyone who wants to reflect on where we are.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by zamler

It's not about only 10 games that is not how a team is evaluated under the same coach and GM.

What is it then?

Team got an upgrade in goal, added a solid defenseman ... and now is playing inconsistent.

That's the GM?
That's the coach?

I never felt that inconsistent kids that I coached had only me to blame when I was behind the bench.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What is it then?



Team got an upgrade in goal, added a solid defenseman ... and now is playing inconsistent.



That's the GM?

That's the coach?



I never felt that inconsistent kids that I coached had only me to blame when I was behind the bench.

I am kind of resigned at this point to accepting that several of the players on this team suffer from mental fragility. My hope is that they will catch on to something that sparks the passion needed for the team to have success, but I am also not counting on it. It feels like there is no choice but to ride this out and see what happens, and to enjoy as much of it as I can. Being miserable about it doesn't look like any fun at all.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist but I just can't get over the negativity today.

GM has to go.
Coach has to go.
Players have tuned the coach out.

It's a 2-3 road trip, the team is inconsistent and annoying as hell, but I don't think the organization is considering sweeping change 10 games into a very strange season.

Maybe I need to get more mad? I just don't understand the extremes from some I guess.

I'm honestly supposed to believe that the coach that the players all loved and supported after the bubble playoff series is now the enemy in the dressing room after 10 games?

LOL we don't need any more upset posters. I'm sure I'm not the only disgruntled fan that doesn't want all fans getting sucked in the misery. Balance is good! I feel pretty beat down by this organization but that's just me. I don't expect you to understand what's going on in my head. I can't help that my brain is telling me that it's seen this song and dance before from this team and the ending is always the same and I can't fake optimism. I don't think the players view Ward as the enemy but let's not discount how he got the job last season. To the players he was a great change of pace because he wasn't Bill Peters. That was enough to get some early returns that lifted the team's record high enough that when their play started to trend down they were still in position to make the playoffs. To me the team was starting to slide into the win one, lose one, win two, lose two trend last January and that was more telling of what the team was trending to under Ward. Also Ward was just the interim head coach last season so house money for him as he really had no idea what the future held for him. Now it's Ward's team and he now has to deal with the pressure of knowing the clock is ticking on his tenure. Also it's not like Flames fans weren't scratching our heads last season about some of Ward's decision making. I'm sure players question these decisions as well and it doesn't take long for locker rooms to lose confidence in a coach if they feel they aren't being put in a situation to succeed. In fact this Flames team is no stranger to tuning out their head coach in general.

You can blame the coach, blame the players, or both. I blame the GM because he's the architect. He keeps hiring head coaches that his team is tuning out. He keeps bringing this same core of player back year after year that is tuning out his coaches. Either he cannot accept that this core of players is not working, is hell bent on proving it can, or is simply oblivious to what's transpired in front of him. Either way he's pretty well wasted the prime years of the core of this team he inherited and I don't trust him to be the guy to tear it down given all his missteps in personnel and evaluation of head coaches. I feel Brad Treliving has a future in this league but it's as an assistant GM where he can do all the legwork for a GM that can make better final evaluations on player and coaches.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really though it's not a lot different than the bubble. They are staying in the same hotel for all the days and not much in the way of travel. Last night was the first game of the season that resembled the hockey they were playing when they tuned out Peters.

Upon reflection, I am not so sure of this. Some travel is certainly a lot more than no travel, and especially when it is compressed like it has been for the last week. Also, as far as I know, the current rules are much more strict now than they were in the bubble: players are alone in their rooms, and not able to go anywhere except for the ice. Meetings are all mandated to take place on zoom, and just the very fact that it's winter makes me think that the experience is considerably different from the summer bubble, with hundreds of players all staying and working together.

This looks a lot harder to me over a short period of time, especially in the first couple of road trips.

[browntrout]

All the new guys have been absolutely horrible...once and awhile the 3rd and 4th line needs to bail out the team and it's just not happening right

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browntrout

All the new guys have been absolutely horrible...

Well, every one of the new guys except the two who have been the team's MVPs through the first few games.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, every one of the new guys except the two who have been the team's MVPs through the first few games.

Sorry who we talking about

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Sorry who we talking about

Jacob Markstrom and Chris Tanev have been fantastic. I am surprised you did not notice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Sorry who we talking about

Markstrom and Tanev. The two biggest off season acquisitions.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL we don't need any more upset posters. I'm sure I'm not the only disgruntled fan that doesn't want all fans getting sucked in the misery. Balance is good! I feel pretty beat down by this organization but that's just me. I don't expect you to understand what's going on in my head. I can't help that my brain is telling me that it's seen this song and dance before from this team and the ending is always the same and I can't fake optimism. I don't think the players view Ward as the enemy but let's not discount how he got the job last season. To the players he was a great change of pace because he wasn't Bill Peters. That was enough to get some early returns that lifted the team's record high enough that when their play started to trend down they were still in position to make the playoffs. To me the team was starting to slide into the win one, lose one, win two, lose two trend last January and that was more telling of what the team was trending to under Ward. Also Ward was just the interim head coach last season so house money for him as he really had no idea what the future held for him. Now it's Ward's team and he now has to deal with the pressure of knowing the clock is ticking on his tenure. Also it's not like Flames fans weren't scratching our heads last season about some of Ward's decision making. I'm sure players question these decisions as well and it doesn't take long for locker rooms to lose confidence in a coach if they feel they aren't being put in a situation to succeed. In fact this Flames team is no stranger to tuning out their head coach in general.

You can blame the coach, blame the players, or both. I blame the GM because he's the architect. He keeps hiring head coaches that his team is tuning out. He keeps bringing this same core of player back year after year that is tuning out his coaches. Either he cannot accept that this core of players is not working, is hell bent on proving it can, or is simply oblivious to what's transpired in front of him. Either way he's pretty well wasted the prime years of the core of this team he inherited and I don't trust him to be the guy to tear it down given all his missteps in personnel and evaluation of head coaches. I feel Brad Treliving has a future in this league but it's as an assistant GM where he can do all the legwork for a GM that can make better final evaluations on player and coaches.

It's exactly how I feel.

I am not worried about them missing them playoffs. I am worried about what they will look like when they get there.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom and Tanev. The two biggest off season acquisitions.

They have been really good IMO

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browntrout

They have been really good IMO

Yes. Hence why I pointed out that the most significant of the new players have not been "absolutely horrible."

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist but I just can't get over the negativity today.

GM has to go.
Coach has to go.
Players have tuned the coach out.

It's a 2-3 road trip, the team is inconsistent and annoying as hell, but I don't think the organization is considering sweeping change 10 games into a very strange season.

Maybe I need to get more mad? I just don't understand the extremes from some I guess.

I'm honestly supposed to believe that the coach that the players all loved and supported after the bubble playoff series is now the enemy in the dressing room after 10 games?

Its not 10 games its an ongoing pattern of performance, and a pretty bad start to a shortened season. If the Flames lose tomorrow its definitely all trending the wrong way. We've all seen this show before. People are frustrated that the team didn't get an experienced coach or make a change to core -- both of which were fairly obvious strategies to utilized given the inability to succeed in the playoffs the last few of years. There's more reason to be frustrated right now. What year of the rebuild is this? The 6th?

The team, who is supposed to be in a contending window, hired yet another unproven coach. Most fans didn't want that. It's up to them to prove it was a good move. So far, it isn't proving to be. Let's hope that changes.

[Manhattanboy]

Markstrom could steal a series let alone a few games. At least that’s something we haven’t had for years and years.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes. Hence why I pointed out that the most significant of the new players have not been "absolutely horrible."

Agree...I really was hoping that the GM would go hard after PLD...while keeping Monahan still in the picture...that would have been a great one-two punch down the middle

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Agree...I really was hoping that the GM would go hard after PLD...while keeping Monahan still in the picture...that would have been a great one-two punch down the middle

Tre was in on it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Agree...I really was hoping that the GM would go hard after PLD...while keeping Monahan still in the picture...that would have been a great one-two punch down the middle

That would have been tremendous, but no one was matching the offer that Winnipeg had on the table.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Red

It's exactly how I feel.

I am not worried about them missing them playoffs. I am worried about what they will look like when they get there.

I am.