[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This morning on 960 Friedman used the word "daunting" to describe the prospect of trading Bennett to a US team, as it would require playing without Bennett for two weeks before his replacement could play.

I couldn't believe he was being serious.

You couldn’t? Have you looked at our depth lately?

They play 8 games over the next 2 weeks.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

People stating opinion as fact leads to takes like this.

Haven’t heard anything about Treliving being on thin ice. A rough start to the season doesn’t push him to the brink of being fired considering a few short months ago he was green lit to sign $54M in long term deals to veteran players. Doubt a guy who is on thin ice is getting the ability to sign large deals that will be part of the team for the next 4-6 years

Ya, well, there is Chiarelli. But sure, its the oilers so there is that.

I am sure there are others.

We dont know if he is on thin ice. But any GM that cant get a team out of a funk for 6 years and causes unnecessary friction in the dressing room in year 7
(for a 4th line trade return no less) should not be surprised when he gets canned. Nor should the fans.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Red

Exactly. We have a 4th line player on the trade block. Make the trade and move on. It's best for everyone involved.

Agree. Make the damn deal. Every day this drags on is another day the player we acquire waits in quarantine.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

You got this completely wrong. Treliving trading Sam for a 5th rounder will tick off a few here, but it will mostly likely not affect his job here.



Holding on to Sam because you think he is worth more while causing drama in the room can spell a disaster. Unless he gets a great deal out of it, highly unlikely. It's terrible team management.



Now if the team actually had some success, sure, ignore that. But the team is and has been a huge disappointment for almost his entire tenure.

Do you think this us actually happening? It sounds more like the holdup is because of ongoing negotiations.

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[zamler]

I don't see anyone saying Tre being on thin ice is carved on the side of a mountain. Sheesh, this place is getting loopy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This morning on 960 Friedman used the word "daunting" to describe the prospect of trading Bennett to a US team, as it would require playing without Bennett for two weeks before his replacement could play.

I couldn't believe he was being serious.

Did you see Simon last night? I call BS that his benching was performance related because if it was it's egg on Ward's face given how his Simon played. Possibly something happened in practice as the players as the coaches are unhappy and the players probably unhappy about the current state of play which has been abysmal. Maybe Bennett's getting frustrated and said something to upset Ward. I just don't understand why else he would have picked yesterday of all days to put Bennett in the pressbox.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You couldn’t? Have you looked at our depth lately?

They play 8 games over the next 2 weeks.

We just healthy scratched the guy. With how Bennett has played this season, do you really feel he makes that immense a difference for those eight games?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Right now it's probably a welcome distraction.

Without Bennett's trade request, what would the media be focusing on? How much of a garbage team this is? The bafflingly stupid coaching decisions? First line player Joakim Nordstrom?

To me, Tree is getting bailed out by any media "circus" this creates, just like how his roster last year got the excuse of the Peters disaster.

Year after year the results are middling if not poor, and the distractions and excuse-making comes to the rescue.

I’m with you more and more on that. Traditionally I’ve liked the moves Treliving has made but this offseason was a disaster. Markstrom aside. The past few seasons have shown a lack of top end skill and lack of ability to move the puck on the back end. So what did he do to address either of those deficiencies? Nothing. No signings, no trades. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again that the problem needs to be addressed through dealing guys who are second and third liners for higher end talent. There are too many guys who are second and third line material who can bring back something in a package to get first line player. I maintain taking on the Lucic contract was terrible too but that’s ancient history. Playing him consistently is the ongoing disaster. Nothing against him personally but his style isn’t good for today’s game. Anyway, I’m coming around to giving Treliving the heave.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

He also fired a Jack Adams winning coach that had the team perform beyond expectations and win a round while playing an exciting style to watch. He replaced that guy with Gulutzan. I mean, wow, that's just a horrible, horrible move looking back on it.

Y'know, I never really understood this move either. I loved Hartley here. The hockey was always exciting. It has been almost torturous to watch at times since.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Red

Ya, well, there is Chiarelli. But sure, its the oilers so there is that.

I am sure there are others.

We dont know if he is on thin ice. But any GM that cant get a team out of a funk for 6 years and causes unnecessary friction in the dressing room in year 7
(for a 4th line trade return no less) should not be surprised when he gets canned. Nor should the fans.

He did take over the team literally one year into a rebuild where they saw their best assets traded for peanuts or just retire.

Don’t get me wrong the seat should be getting warm for him but this team just made the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time since there run of making it from 04-09.

You are speculating that the Bennett thing is causing friction in the dressing room. The Flames win their games in hand they are in a playoff spot so this isn’t a Sens level start or a Canucks level start where they are getting just blown out with regularity.

Don’t get me wrong I think the best should be on Treliving here. I am with many that has lost all faith in Ward which is a trend with Treliving who has hired terrible coach after terrible coach.

I just don’t think a Bennett trade request and a slow start are the final straws considering he took over a team at the start of a rebuild and has made the playoffs in 4 of 6 years, and won the division 2 seasons ago.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We just healthy scratched the guy. With how Bennett has played this season, do you really feel he makes that immense a difference for those eight games?

How’d that go?

In the bottom 6, yes. Especially if Ryan has a broken finger. Maybe not “immense”, but I think it is quite important we don’t shed a NHL regular from our lineup for 8 games. 9 if they don’t arrive tomorrow morning.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Do you think this us actually happening? It sounds more like the holdup is because of ongoing negotiations.

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We don't know. But if trading a 4th liner takes weeks then you know that the asking price was questionable. We are a week in so far, so not really that long yet but we should be near the end. Sam's salary may be a problem. Hard to fit a 2.5M 4th liner to any lineup.
Should add that there were rumblings about Sam not happy with his role last season. This is why coach asked where he wanted to play etc.
So you'd think a preliminary steps were already taken in trading him. Treliving surely already had an idea on what interest there was for Sam.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He did take over the team literally one year into a rebuild where they saw their best assets traded for peanuts or just retire.

Don’t get me wrong the seat should be getting warm for him but this team just made the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time since there run of making it from 04-09.

You are speculating that the Bennett thing is causing friction in the dressing room. The Flames win their games in hand they are in a playoff spot so this isn’t a Sens level start or a Canucks level start where they are getting just blown out with regularity.

Don’t get me wrong I think the best should be on Treliving here. I am with many that has lost all faith in Ward which is a trend with Treliving who has hired terrible coach after terrible coach.

I just don’t think a Bennett trade request and a slow start are the final straws considering he took over a team at the start of a rebuild and has made the playoffs in 4 of 6 years, and won the division 2 seasons ago.

No, i never said that. I said that Treliving holding on to Sam for better return can cause team drama. I dont suggest that we are at that point yet, but I think they should resolve this sooner than later.

And I said that because Friedman mentioned that Sam should just play hard to somehow make himself more valuable in a trade.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Did you see Simon last night? I call BS that his benching was performance related because if it was it's egg on Ward's face given how his Simon played. Possibly something happened in practice as the players as the coaches are unhappy and the players probably unhappy about the current state of play which has been abysmal. Maybe Bennett's getting frustrated and said something to upset Ward. I just don't understand why else he would have picked yesterday of all days to put Bennett in the pressbox.

I don't understand. Has Bennett shown something that warrants him from not being a healthy scratch?

Is it his team leading -5 that should protect him from sitting?

Is it his 1 assist?

Is it the fact that he no longer wants to play for the Calgary Flames?

Not saying Simon is the answer to our problems, but Sam Bennett certainly isn't either.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Red

We don't know. But if trading a 4th liner takes weeks then you know that the asking price was questionable. We are a week in so far, so not really that long yet but we should be near the end. Sam's salary may be a problem. Hard to fit a 2.5M 4th liner to any lineup.

Maybe he was asking if you really think that Bennett is causing drama in the locker room. At least I'm curious if that is what you think.

Just because a player asks to be traded doesn't automatically equate to hard feelings, drama and distractions. Does Bennett want out because of his utilization or because of a personality clash? Most likely utilization. His teammates will understand that and not immediately treat him like dirt as many fans dream up to be the case.

The players are professionals. They know the deal. They don't overreact like many fans do.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Buff

Maybe he was asking if you really think that Bennett is causing drama in the locker room. At least I'm curious if that is what you think.

Just because a player asks to be traded doesn't automatically equate to hard feelings, drama and distractions. Does Bennett want out because of his utilization or because of a personality clash? Most likely utilization. His teammates will understand that and not immediately treat him like dirt as many fans dream up to be the case.

The players are professionals. They know the deal. They don't overreact like many fans do.

Again, for the 10th time. I did not say that Sam is causing drama right now, nor will he ever. But there is the press pushing buttons, and the agents etc. We have seen it so many times.
I stated that having players that want off the team is not good for team chemistry. And if we are to keep Sam for say another month or two while Treliving looks for a better deal, then I dont feel like it's worth it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'know, I never really understood this move either. I loved Hartley here. The hockey was always exciting. It has been almost torturous to watch at times since.

Hartley hockey may have been exciting, but he was a bully. He pitted the room against certain players. This coaching style wouldn't last long in today's world.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How’d that go?

In the bottom 6, yes. Especially if Ryan has a broken finger. Maybe not “immense”, but I think it is quite important we don’t shed a NHL regular from our lineup for 8 games. 9 if they don’t arrive tomorrow morning.

Well Friedman used the word daunting which is what I objected to. Our bottom 6 has been bad all year, with Bennett and Ryan in the lineup. Playing without them for two weeks doesn't cause me much concern.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Half kidding here but it should be an auto ban to bring up old coaches wishing for a retread.

I'm referring to D Sutter specifically. He's not Scotty Bowman, never was, isn't coming back and if he did, would not be as successful as people think.

Discussing why a coach was let go is fine but even then, I recall TONS of people saying Hartley was a bad coach who caught lightning in a bottle and his teams were going to regress hard due to our terrible team defence. .

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Half kidding here but it should be an auto ban to bring up old coaches wishing for a retread.

I'm referring to D Sutter specifically. He's not Scotty Bowman, never was, isn't coming back and if he did, would not be as successful as people think.

Discussing why a coach was let go is fine but even then, I recall TONS of people saying Hartley was a bad coach who caught lightning in a bottle and his teams were going to regress hard due to our terrible team defence. .

The problem wasn't firing Hartley.

It was replacing him with Gulutzan, Peters and now Ward.

This organization gets everything it deserves really.