[Game Takes] Jets 3 Flames 2

[Bingo]

Game Takes: Jets 3 Flames 2

- Flames and Rittich start slowly
- good push in the third comes close to sending the game to overtime.
- Tkachuk scores two despite his line struggling again
- Gaudreau extends point streak to start the season to nine games

[Strange Brew]

I thought the fortress pairing was strong again. One of the top 3 stories for the club so far, along with Markstrom and Gaudreau/Monahan resurgence.

Speaking of, I’m not so ready to concede Lindholm/Tkachuk as the “1st line”.

[DeluxeMoustache]

2 goals were on brutal and pretty bad giveaways, respectively. Can’t put the team in a 2 goal hole so many times

You mention Valimaki and I think Nesterov had a few nice confident moments

Tkachuk splits agree with what I saw but he was pretty clutch

Ryan looked good again I thought

They’re getting there. Nothing to worry about

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

...the fortress pairing...

It will catch on any moment, now.


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[Erick Estrada]

Very minor critique but the Flames haven't played the Habs since Saturday as the last two game takes have Habs in special teams.

[ricardodw]

Hockey Stats Card

had Gio and Andersson both having good games and the other 4-D having poor games.

Tkachuk had a good game but had a game high xGA

The second game in a row where the Jet goalie was significantly better than the Flames goalie according to this web site.

Interesting, as who would of thought, Logan Stanley as the Jets #6 has a similar Average Game score of .32 to Valimaki .25

10 games ago Valimaki was a Calder candidate and Stanley was going to be fortunate to be on the Jets taxi squad and likely AHL. Stanley is 5 months older than Valimaki.

When does Nesterov play himself off the roster to give Mackey a look-see?

Did Forbort want out of Calgary or did the Flames not want him?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hockey Stats Card

had Gio and Andersson both having good games and the other 4-D having poor games.

Tkachuk had a good game but had a game high xGA

The second game in a row where the Jet goalie was significantly better than the Flames goalie according to this web site.

Interesting, as who would of thought, Logan Stanley as the Jets #6 has a similar Average Game score of .32 to Valimaki .25

10 games ago Valimaki was a Calder candidate and Stanley was going to be fortunate to be on the Jets taxi squad and likely AHL. Stanley is 5 months older than Valimaki.

When does Nesterov play himself off the roster to give Mackey a look-see?

Did Forbort want out of Calgary or did the Flames not want him?

Why do you do this?

I'm happy that you're looking at something other than +/- but the Stanley / Valimaki stuff is a little over the top isn't it? Two young players and it's eight games into a season.

I don't think either are going to win the calder for the record, but you may want a little more time into their careers before you start making projections but I'll bite.

Valimaki has had three poor games to start the season (last night one of them), Stanley only one by his log. The early returns seem to suggest a higher ceiling of impact for Valimaki if he can rough out the edges. All this ... with ... eight ... games of .... data.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hockey Stats Card

had Gio and Andersson both having good games and the other 4-D having poor games.

Tkachuk had a good game but had a game high xGA

The second game in a row where the Jet goalie was significantly better than the Flames goalie according to this web site.

Interesting, as who would of thought, Logan Stanley as the Jets #6 has a similar Average Game score of .32 to Valimaki .25

10 games ago Valimaki was a Calder candidate and Stanley was going to be fortunate to be on the Jets taxi squad and likely AHL. Stanley is 5 months older than Valimaki.

When does Nesterov play himself off the roster to give Mackey a look-see?

Did Forbort want out of Calgary or did the Flames not want him?

Forbort's performance in the playoff was one of the worst I've ever seen. Probably the worst in at least 10 years for the Flames.

I'm pretty sure the Flames wanted to just try something else.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Why do you do this?

ricardodw has this really weird obsession with Valimaki.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Forbort's performance in the playoff was one of the worst I've ever seen. Probably the worst in at least 10 years for the Flames.

I'm pretty sure the Flames wanted to just try something else.

Yeah, if he played like that during the playoffs he would still be a Flame

[flambers]

Thought this game was very similar to most of the games this season ….very inconsistent.

Flames are definitely struggling to generate any offense what so ever....

They need to find a way to score more than 2 goals.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, if he played like that during the playoffs he would still be a Flame

Forbort has learned, I can only assume that you get rewarded for your play

Poor play in one place (Calgary) leads to a poor next location (Winnipeg)

He is playing for his next destination. Has to play well to improve his lot in life.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Forbort has learned, I can only assume that you get rewarded for your play

Poor play in one place (Calgary) leads to a poor next location (Winnipeg)

He is playing for his next destination. Has to play well to improve his lot in life.

Too bad Regina doesn’t have a team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

ricardodw has this really weird obsession with Valimaki.

He is the top prospect on the Flames and basically only high end prospect that has a chance of replacing Gio. He would be one of the Flames most coveted assets and basically untradeable.

In your opinion nothing too important to look at here? The Flames can replace him with replacement level player like Nesterov?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He is the top prospect on the Flames and basically only high end prospect that has a chance of replacing Gio. He would be one of the Flames most coveted assets and basically untradeable.

In your opinion nothing too important to look at here? The Flames can replace him with replacement level player like Nesterov?

What percent of rookies come in lights out in your opinion?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He is the top prospect on the Flames and basically only high end prospect that has a chance of replacing Gio. He would be one of the Flames most coveted assets and basically untradeable.

In your opinion nothing too important to look at here? The Flames can replace him with replacement level player like Nesterov?

In my opinion it is far too early to be worried about him. If he plays great, that is excellent. If he does not, that is to be expected. It is only within an extremely binary view like yours in which contracts, on-ice usage, age, experience, and free agency status are all treated as irrelevant that this question about Nesterov would be even entertained. Here in the real world it looks ridiculous.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He is the top prospect on the Flames and basically only high end prospect that has a chance of replacing Gio. He would be one of the Flames most coveted assets and basically untradeable.

In your opinion nothing too important to look at here? The Flames can replace him with replacement level player like Nesterov?

He's an important young player.

But he's young, and with that he's been inconsistent. I'd rather have a young player with peaks and valleys (THOUGH ONLY EIGHT GAMES) than a vanilla 5/6 dman that doesn't have the peaks.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Why do you do this?

I'm happy that you're looking at something other than +/- but the Stanley / Valimaki stuff is a little over the top isn't it? Two young players and it's eight games into a season.

I don't think either are going to win the calder for the record, but you may want a little more time into their careers before you start making projections but I'll bite.

Valimaki has had three poor games to start the season (last night one of them), Stanley only one by his log. The early returns seem to suggest a higher ceiling of impact for Valimaki if he can rough out the edges. All this ... with ... eight ... games of .... data.

I did not notice your rational posts on the "Valimaki in Finland" thread where they were numerous well supported opinions that Valimaki was going to be a beast and be a calder contender.

This was the 2nd most viewed individual player thread behind Markstrom signs thread.


You honestly didn't expect more from Valimaki?

Were you one of the few Flame fans that weren't disappointed that they wouldn't play him in the playoffs because of the expansion implications?

Also Stanley is just a shocking story. He was written off by most analysts that he wouldn't get a Tim Rambolt sniff of the NHL. If he got benched for the rest of the season he has exceeded expectations for 2021.

That he could be mentioned in a comparison with Valimaki over any 8 game stretch ever is wackadoodle

[Boreal]

Even with the give away, the first short handed goal by Rittich was a bad low percentage expected goal. He was out of position & didn’t make the save.

The second goal was worse.

Steve Valliquette and Clear site Analytics states that when an NHL team lets in low percentage goal (let alone two) they lose 86% of the time.

Hopefully Rittich is able build on the rest of the game because his teammates know those are saveable shots and I imagine he’s losing faith.

They put him in a bad position on the first one, and he couldn’t bail them out. But the second one is what starts to drain faith.

The Toffoli short handed goal in Montreal was another one. It was a bit of a broken play as he lost track of the puck, and a short handed breakaway (kind of as he was caught when he lost the puck).

Yeah it was a short handed break, but again, that’s where they need him.

A shot like that, on the ice from point blank range is a low percentage expected goal in my opinion. I’m willing to say it’s up for debate because of the circumstances leading up the shot.

Either way those goals have to stop for Rittich to win. That was back breaking.

I imagine they know all this, and the coaches are trying to work on his confidence, which is everything.

His body language of surprise and disbelief after goals also needs to stop in my opinion. To me that’s an expression of not having confidence. This is what made Kipper great & unflappable. He was stoic and would move on to the next save.

Hopefully he’s feeling better about the rest of the game.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I did not notice your rational posts on the "Valimaki in Finland" thread where they were numerous well supported opinions that Valimaki was going to be a beast and be a calder contender.

This was the 2nd most viewed individual player thread behind Markstrom signs thread.


You honestly didn't expect more from Valimaki?

Were you one of the few Flame fans that weren't disappointed that they wouldn't play him in the playoffs because of the expansion implications?

Also Stanley is just a shocking story. He was written off by most analysts that he wouldn't get a Tim Rambolt sniff of the NHL. If he got benched for the rest of the season he has exceeded expectations for 2021.

That he could be mentioned in a comparison with Valimaki over any 8 game stretch ever is wackadoodle

I'm not an extremes guy ... so yeah I was on the side of caution based on the league comparison between Liiga and the NHL.

The guy missed a year and a half of hockey at a young age, there was going to be an adjustment back to the level and the NHL grind. He's exactly what I expected to date ... makes some plays that make you think future 2/3 guy, and others that remind you he's played only 33 NHL games to date.

LOL ... Stanley is only being compared to Valimaki by you.