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Old 02-02-2021, 02:47 PM   #101
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There is a couple of posters here who need to take off the rose coloured glasses when it comes to Backlund here. Selke winner? Comparisons to Bergeron? Ridiculous. He was our worst player in the series against the Av's. He was a non factor against Dallas. Go back and look at the posts about Backlund from the start of last year, the majority of the board was talking about how he should be a healthy scratch. Comparing Backlund to Bergeron is like comparing Sam Bennett to prime Doug Gilmour. It is that ridiculously off. He is a streaky player that tends to start horrible, finish like a top 6 player, and then fade in the playoffs. That is Backlund.
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Old 02-02-2021, 02:50 PM   #102
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Cap friendly’s crowdsourced draft simulator has Backlund and Gio exposed, but of course assumed Lucic isn’t. Assuming he waives it’s Lucic and Gio.

Now I can see paying to have Lucic picked, though that may not be the handshake agreement. I can see paying for Gio to be traded back with retention. But not for a first.
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Old 02-02-2021, 02:52 PM   #103
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I think Seattle would love to see his name on the list.

Leadership qualities, and a great trade chip for the deadline.
It will be a cold move, but I think the Flames would be ok if he were taken. (Presuming a continued slide in his game. I just see him struggling at this point in the season and I am not entirely convinced it will turn around). If the choice is Tanev or Gio or Backlund (or an improved Bennett), I would go Gio.

The trade chip, maybe? Again, depends if he is contributing and whether he has a NTC or some form of protection at that point.
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Old 02-02-2021, 04:53 PM   #104
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With Bennett not seizing the reigns I don't think there is any sense in exposing Backlund, so the F group seems pretty easy.

I'm not a fan of trading assets in the expansion draft, but the one thing that could make sense is to trade Bennett to SEA on the condition that they don't select Gio/Tanev (ie. they do take Kylington or Ryan). Bennett would be a near zero value asset at that point, but he would make a lot of sense for SEA (negotiating a deal lower than his QO).
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Old 02-02-2021, 06:39 PM   #105
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A 38 year old third pair defenceman should be exposed in the draft and I would be shocked if he was taken. The cap hit won't help (nor the actual salary).
I'm not sure who you are describing. That certainly isn't Gio.
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Old 02-02-2021, 09:56 PM   #106
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There is a couple of posters here who need to take off the rose coloured glasses when it comes to Backlund here. Selke winner? Comparisons to Bergeron? Ridiculous. He was our worst player in the series against the Av's. He was a non factor against Dallas. Go back and look at the posts about Backlund from the start of last year, the majority of the board was talking about how he should be a healthy scratch. Comparing Backlund to Bergeron is like comparing Sam Bennett to prime Doug Gilmour. It is that ridiculously off. He is a streaky player that tends to start horrible, finish like a top 6 player, and then fade in the playoffs. That is Backlund.

First off, why do you always sound like an ass when replying to posts that you don't agree with? Just curious. I notice a handful of posters with a similar shtick as you, and for the life of me I just don't understand how someone can get so heated so quickly. Are you really here for discussion, or just to vent out your life's frustrations at random people online? Serious question. You seem to behave this way practically every single day. It amazes me.



As for Backlund - yes, he does play some incredibly hard minutes and usually shines. Have you looked them up? This year he has 65.1% defensive zone starts. Guess what Bergeron is at? The inverse of that - 34.9% (weirdly enough).



So what does that tell you?


Yeah, Backlund hasn't looked fantastic to start this season - and no, Backlund isn't as 'good' as Bergeron, but I argue he is better defensively while still being solid offensively. Every single year Backlund starts off slowly, and then becomes, well.. Superman. Bergeron produces as a #1 centre while being very good defensively, but he isn't utilized AS a defensive centre. That's a huge difference. My point is that Bergeron is lauded as the NHL's premier defensive centre, but that's not his role, and his utilization shows that. Now, can I say that Backlund is worth Bergeron? Absolutely not. But Backlund is a BETTER defensive centre who plays far tougher minutes and continually produces every season at a solid 2nd line centre rate - that's damn impressive and underappreciated. No, he isn't as good as Bergeron overall, you are right. Apples to oranges comparison in utilization.



As for what the board was saying about Backlund, maybe you should go back and read how there were many posts stating he was Calgary's best centre. What point are you trying to make here?


As for the series against the Avs, he was far from our worst player. He hit a goalpost, it comes back the other way and the Flames get scored on. IIRC, when he and Brodie were on the ice vs MacKinnon, MacKinnon was almost a non-factor. Take a look at the numbers for Hanifin - Hamonic when MacKinnon was on the ice. Can Backlund completely stop MacKinnon? No, but that's because MacKinnon is the best player in the NHL and the toughest player to contain. However, Backlund stops the bleeding. Take a look at how effective McDavid is when Backlund is on the ice, and compare that to when Backlund is not on the ice. Pay attention to specifically to that this weekend, and for games against the Oilers.


Yes, he didn't have a great series against Dallas, but he was hardly the worst player. However, most playoff series he is legitimately good - was against the Avs, Ducks, Canucks, Ducks, Winnipeg (if you count that as a playoff series - definitely playoff atmosphere), and so-so against Dallas.


He is a reliably defensively playing tough minutes, always scores at the rate of a 2nd line centre, and doesn't complain, even when he has a revolving door of wingers or is asked to play with rookies. Way too underappreciated in my books, especially since his tough minutes allows for other centres to have easier minutes.


As an aside to this conversation - Scott Laughton is getting absolutely buried - 86.1 dzs%, though it seems he is getting his head caved-in doing it. That's some murderous utilization.
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Old 02-02-2021, 09:57 PM   #107
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With Bennett not seizing the reigns I don't think there is any sense in exposing Backlund, so the F group seems pretty easy.

I'm not a fan of trading assets in the expansion draft, but the one thing that could make sense is to trade Bennett to SEA on the condition that they don't select Gio/Tanev (ie. they do take Kylington or Ryan). Bennett would be a near zero value asset at that point, but he would make a lot of sense for SEA (negotiating a deal lower than his QO).
I’d happily expose Backlund in the hopes of getting rid of a $5.35M 3rd line centre on what may be a steep decline. Backs has shown he is not the same player he was in the 18/19 regular season. He had a hot streak 19/20, but followed it up by having another crappy playoff series against Dallas.

No trades with Seattle to protect this player or that player. This team doesn’t have to do it.

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Who was the last player to leave Calgary and make a real difference to their new team?
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Old 02-02-2021, 10:10 PM   #109
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Who was the last player to leave Calgary and make a real difference to their new team?
Martin St Louis?
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Old 02-02-2021, 10:23 PM   #110
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Martin St Louis?
Very well could be. Goes to show that most of the time with home grown players is that what you see is what you get from Calgary. It's not like Edmonton where guys go on to shine in new markets.
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Old 02-02-2021, 10:26 PM   #111
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If Lucic is so good in the locker room they should just leave him in there
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Keep the young defence. Realistically you won't lose a big enough part to make the difference with the group they have now.
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Keep the young defence. Realistically you won't lose a big enough part to make the difference with the group they have now.
no kidding I am not scared of the expansion draft at all...worse case they have a bunch of cap space
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Old 02-02-2021, 10:35 PM   #114
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I’d happily expose Backlund in the hopes of getting rid of a $5.35M 3rd line centre on what may be a steep decline. Backs has shown he is not the same player he was in the 18/19 regular season. He had a hot streak 19/20, but followed it up by having another crappy playoff series against Dallas.

No trades so the Seattle to protect this player or that player. This team doesn’t have to do it.
I get that, but who are you replacing Backlund with? Are you qualifying Bennett? If not, he's very likely a zero value asset for us by ED time (but as I said, some value for SEA)...

The UFA class isn't terrible, but most of the options are at least as old as Backlund. The 'younger' options are:

RNH
Danault
Granlund
Lowry
Wennberg
Haula
Laughton
Iafallo
Copp

Hard to assume that the answer is in the room. Dubé and Zary are the most promising internal options, but it's hard to imagine either filling that role 8 months from now.

In a perfect world, maybe we'd be better off with Laughton or Lowry for under 4M, but it's tough to bank on that...
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Paul byron
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England? ( I know didn’t spell it right)
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Yeah, both Byron and Engelland were tough losses here, and nice pickups for their teams
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Letting Byron go for free to keep Bollig was one of the biggest blunders for Treliving, aside from singing Brouwer and then double down on James Neal....
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Exposing and losing Backlund and then signing Lowry would be shrewd move. Lucic retiring would be the cherry on top. Great guy and a great career but so ineffective and quite frankly a liability at this point.
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Protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Dube
Mangiapane
Bennett

Andersson
Hanifin
Tanev

Markstrom

Gio states he will just retire if picked.

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