[Rumour] Lucic expected to be asked to waive NMC for expansion draft

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Backlund and Gio, probably the two players I am most concerned about so far this season. Warning signs were there last year that the foot speed was declining, confirmation showing up this year. I hope that turns around.

For Giordano, yes. I am not worried about Backlund.

[Freeway]

The exposure requirement is 27 games this season OR 54 games over the past two seasons.


The goaltender just needs to be a restricted free agent or under contract, so Tyler Parsons meets that requirement already.


Assuming Flames go 7-3-1, protecting Tkachuk/Lindholm/Dube/Monahan/Gaudreau/Mangiapane/Backlund, Giordano/Hanifin/Andersson, then Tanev meets the D requirement and Bennett/Lucic meet the forward requirement. (Already.)

[Enoch Root]

It's early, but the early money says they're not exposing Tanev

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The exposure requirement is 27 games this season OR 54 games over the past two seasons.


The goaltender just needs to be a restricted free agent or under contract, so Tyler Parsons meets that requirement already.


Assuming Flames go 7-3-1, protecting Tkachuk/Lindholm/Dube/Monahan/Gaudreau/Mangiapane/Backlund, Giordano/Hanifin/Andersson, then Tanev meets the D requirement and Bennett/Lucic meet the forward requirement. (Already.)

Bennett doesn't meet the requirement because he isn't signed for next season. Only goalies can be RFAs to meet the exposure requirement, skaters must be signed.

[mrchristy31]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's early, but the early money says they're not exposing Tanev

Agreed, if they expose Tanev over Gio I will lose it.

I love the old adage "the team owes it to a player to protect them, not trade them, etc." You know what the player is owed, the millions of dollars they already got paid to play a sport for a living...........beyond that every decision should be based on the best interest of the team.

[Itse]

I would bet money on Flames exposing Giordano. It just makes too much sense, and I don't see it creating much of a backlash among fans at least. Maybe in the locker room, but somehow I don't see that either.

With Vegas doing so well, I would imagine players don't resent being exposed as much as they would if Vegas had been one of those traditionally crappy expansion teams. Being part of creating a new NHL team is probably a pretty interesting experience, and it's not like Gio has a lot of contract left if he doesn't like it there.

...and if he's exposed, Seattle might very well pick him for his leadership, someone to help set the mood in the locker room.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I still disagree and still feel that Backlund is criminally underrated. Everyone talks about Bergeron as being this defensive god (and in many ways he is), but I wonder how he would do given Backlund's utilization? Undoubtedly worse. How worse? Maybe he wouldn't put up as many points as Backlund even.


Backlund should have won a Selke by now. He gets absolutely buried (not sure about this season with Lindholm as a full-time centre now), but like a zombie, you can not keep him in that grave. Being buried in zone starts and quality of comp allows everyone else to produce more. It allows the Flames to also shelter the other lines a bit more and stop the 'bleeding' at times.

Part of being a Selke candidate is faceoffs, Bergeron has a career 57.2% which is always tops on his team, Backlund has a 48.2% and is never close to leading his team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-kra...ed/c-302586918

this is specific to Seattle

That is from July. They might modify the 40/70 game requirement. And Derek Ryan already has made 70 over two seasons - they can re-sign him. If they re-sign Simon, he will have 70 as well. Maybe Leivo as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

I would bet money on Flames exposing Giordano. It just makes too much sense, and I don't see it creating much of a backlash among fans at least. Maybe in the locker room, but somehow I don't see that either.

With Vegas doing so well, I would imagine players don't resent being exposed as much as they would if Vegas had been one of those traditionally crappy expansion teams. Being part of creating a new NHL team is probably a pretty interesting experience, and it's not like Gio has a lot of contract left if he doesn't like it there.

...and if he's exposed, Seattle might very well pick him for his leadership, someone to help set the mood in the locker room.

Pretty hefty cap for one year of his leadership.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by mrchristy31

Agreed, if they expose Tanev over Gio I will lose it.

I love the old adage "the team owes it to a player to protect them, not trade them, etc." You know what the player is owed, the millions of dollars they already got paid to play a sport for a living...........beyond that every decision should be based on the best interest of the team.

Before you start getting outraged, I will point out that Hamonic and Hamonic were awesome together for a while at first as well, and I remember the talk was that the Flames had 2 first pairing pairings.



I think that this is the time to start talking about the expansion draft, but there are also many slots that will remain open to see where some players end up at the end of the season/playoffs.


For instance, Bennett just got moved to the top line in the 'blender' last game - will he stick there? If he clicks with Monahan and Gaudreau, will he suddenly displace someone else?


Dube hasn't been very effective so far this season. If this continues and he has a miserable season (like Jankowski for instance - people forget that Jankowski had 2 straight seasons of being a good player, followed by a miserable season that saw him being left unqualified). If Dube has this sophomore slump, will he be left exposed?


If left exposed, Giordano would be claimed immediately. I think there were 3 reasons that Vegas decided to select Engelland:


1) Everyone else available from the Flames sucked
2) Engelland was a playable defencemen and would stick up for teammates
3) Leadership


Maybe Giordano will bounce back. Perhaps it is just not clicking with Andersson. Perhaps he is getting old and he is regressing - I think how he does this season will really impact if he remains protected or not. I do think if he is left exposed, he is the guy taken right away. He has been lauded as a leader now in the NHL for a number of seasons.



If there is a good enough player being exposed, I do think that the Flames will probably just spend assets to get Seattle to select a player that isn't in the Flames' plans.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pretty hefty cap for one year of his leadership.

True. No way of knowing at this point if it's too much. Plus they could have plenty of leadership from other players so who knows.

I still think Flames won't protect Gio.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That is from July. They might modify the 40/70 game requirement. And Derek Ryan already has made 70 over two seasons - they can re-sign him. If they re-sign Simon, he will have 70 as well. Maybe Leivo as well.

Yes, they might sign any or all of those guys. But if they do, they will be under contract for next year because they probably aren't being selected by Seattle.

Freeway already posted the pro-rated number of games required

[GioforPM]

If the Flames spend assets to have Seattle take Gio, they aren’t signing him back.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pretty hefty cap for one year of his leadership.

I don't think it is all that relevant, especially for a pending free agent. Seattle is going to be well under the cap in year-one.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If the Flames spend assets to have Seattle take Gio, they aren’t signing him back.

They don't need to spend assets to have Seattle take him.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by getbak

Bennett doesn't meet the requirement because he isn't signed for next season. Only goalies can be RFAs to meet the exposure requirement, skaters must be signed.

Can't Tre just qualify him and then expose him? I don't really know the details.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

A 38 year old third pair defenceman should be exposed in the draft and I would be shocked if he was taken. The cap hit won't help (nor the actual salary).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They don't need to spend assets to have Seattle take him.

I think they would if they wanted to protect an additional player. But I think (a) they expose him and (b) he doesn’t get taken.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

A 38 year old third pair defenceman should be exposed in the draft and I would be shocked if he was taken. The cap hit won't help (nor the actual salary).

I think Seattle would love to see his name on the list.

Leadership qualities, and a great trade chip for the deadline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think it is all that relevant, especially for a pending free agent. Seattle is going to be well under the cap in year-one.

It’s still money. I think they will have plenty of D to choose from, and plenty of veteran leadership available.