[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For the people arguing that the Flames have likely been trying to trade Bennett for a long time, that doesn't add up, IMO. The agent said he would be open to a change of scenery. That is not something someone says to the media, if he has already been on the block for 2 years.

I don't think they've been proactively trying to move him, but I can see him being someone that was included in some of the rumored deals. For example, I think we heard he was part of the package for Hall?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

What are you talking about? The convo you selectively quoted was about Sam being on the trading block.

Is mcdavid on the trading block? Why even bring him up? What a silly argument to even try and make.


“Your argument lacks logic, so here’s one with zero logic to prove you wrong!” Lol some 4D chess you’re playing.

All he's saying is the fact that Bennett hasn't been traded to date can't be summarized that he has no interest or value as fact.

There isn't any fact.

He may have been offered many packages over the years that you would take, but turned them down because he wanted to see Bennett develop.

I don't see junior high or 4D chess ... he's pointing out that we don't know, and you certainly don't know.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For the people arguing that the Flames have likely been trying to trade Bennett for a long time, that doesn't add up, IMO. The agent said he would be open to a change of scenery. That is not something someone says to the media, if he has already been on the block for 2 years.

Sure it does. All that would mean is the Flames have held firm on their asking price and not making a deal based on what the market perceives Bennett to be worth. This is Bennett's representative trying to shake the tree and get the Flames asking price to go down to where the market is. You can't ask for an overpayment when the player has more interest in playing elsewhere. Bennett will not be a Flame next year unless he all of sudden finds a brain and some hands to go with it. He won't get qualified based on what he is scheduled to be paid. So it is going to come down to get a diminished return or get nothing. This is asset management, so you take the diminished return and don't look back.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

This is drama to you?

Yep.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Dube will be extended and protected, leaving a choice between Lucic (assuming he waives his NMC) or Backlund to be exposed. If it is me at the helm, I will expose both of them and hope Seattle pick one of them.

Backlund, although playing well last season and OK this season thus far, will prove to be too expensive for what he offers in a year or 2...

Bennett? He is good as gone. He wants out, so he won't re-sign here. If he can't bring an OK return on trades, then leave him in the lineup this season and let him walk for free in the offseason. Or do the Treliving special by offering him an insultingly low offer, take it or leave it...

I am not convinced of this, and I maintain that if Backlund is left exposed, then he is almost certainly the player that Seattle will select from the Flames in the expansion draft. He will likely be one of the best forwards available, and will have three years left on his deal. Seattle is n to going to be anywhere near the salary cap for at least the first two seasons, and probably beyond.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All he's saying is the fact that Bennett hasn't been traded to date can't be summarized that he has no interest or value as fact.

I know Bennett has limited interest and value because he's not very good. That's just common sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I know Bennett has to shoulder a lot of the blame, but I still wonder what could have been right before GG stepped in as HC.

Go back and read the posts - Bennett was excelling as a winger with Backlund & Frolik, everyone here was salivating saying "this will be our #1C, with Monahan as #2 - we are good to go!"

Then in comes GG, Bennett is relegated to 4th line, and is benched any time he makes a mistake. Completely destroyed the kid's confidence. Flames should NEVER hire a coach with the initials GG again as it appears they are the worst coaches in the history of the Flames.

Treliving really, really, really blew it with that hire.

I think you should take your own advice and go back and read the posts. Bennett was doing OK in his rookie year, but people weren't salivating nor were they saying he had 1C locked up. In fact, he was quite inconsistent. His 38 points were OK, but he tended to go long periods without any. He had a really flat start to the season. He had one point (an assist) all of December. And, he was pretty bad defensively which wasn't a good thing on Backlund's line.

All that year his fans were insisting Hartley was making a mistake by playing him on wing. So the next year he gets put at C with two vet wingers who's scored in the past. Not a success (partly because of those wingers, but he had his share of the blame). The next year he gets put with a first round draft pick center who fans also expect big things from, and an energy guy in Hathaway (and a legend in Jagr). No success.

2018-19 he spends the time with Backlund and Tkachuk. That's pretty good IMO. Sure, he spends the next most with Jankowski and Neal, but it's only a two point difference.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sure it does. All that would mean is the Flames have held firm on their asking price and not making a deal based on what the market perceives Bennett to be worth. This is Bennett's representative trying to shake the tree and get the Flames asking price to go down to where the market is. You can't ask for an overpayment when the player has more interest in playing elsewhere. Bennett will not be a Flame next year unless he all of sudden finds a brain and some hands to go with it. He won't get qualified based on what he is scheduled to be paid. So it is going to come down to get a diminished return or get nothing. This is asset management, so you take the diminished return and don't look back.

Maybe instead of taking the diminished return, you keep him for the playoffs. He becomes a rental that you already have. Might be better than throwing other assets at a rental that might have to go through quarantine protocol.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Lost in all this is what is to become of Victor Mete? Does nobody care about him?

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Lost in all this is what is to become of Victor Mete? Does nobody care about him?

Ha! I was suggesting a Bennett for Mete swap the other day...biased cause Habs are my second team lol

[YYC in LAX]

The guys on FAN960 discussing a trade which would send Bennett+ to Anaheim for Rakell. This is not based on speculation and rumour, rather they are just spitballing. Wasn't Anaheim interested in Bennett a couple years ago. Curious if Anaheim would even entertain this at this point.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All he's saying is the fact that Bennett hasn't been traded to date can't be summarized that he has no interest or value as fact.

There isn't any fact.

He may have been offered many packages over the years that you would take, but turned them down because he wanted to see Bennett develop.

I don't see junior high or 4D chess ... he's pointing out that we don't know, and you certainly don't know.

It's also a bit of cherry picking. The discussion was specific with anther posters and was based on the assumption that the Flames did try and trade Sam and that he was good enough that there was a market for him.

Removing those aspects of the conversation and cherry picking my reply to a specific chain of posts has no relevance without the context.


If the Flames have been trying to trade Bennett and IF other GMs thought he was a mismanaged diamond in the rough, then he for sure would have been traded by now. That was the original point of my post which OP has misquoted.

[SportsJunky]

I would rather not see Bennett traded within the Canadian division. I rip on the guy as much as anyone but the Flames don't need to be playing a feisty, slashy Bennett multiple times this season. There's plenty of U.S. teams that Tre can do a deal with (if they want Bennett, that is.).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I would rather not see Bennett traded within the Canadian division. I rip on the guy as much as anyone but the Flames don't need to be playing a feisty, slashy Bennett multiple times this season. There's plenty of U.S. teams that Tre can do a deal with (if they want Bennett, that is.).

But just think of how great it would be to be on the PP all game long

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

But just think of how great it would be to be on the PP all game long

Until he crushes a defender of Gaudreau into the boards..

No one wants to face an engaged Bennett, it's the reason why he is so effective in the playoffs.

[The Yen Man]

Either way, I think this is the last year we see Bennett. He's either traded, or exposed and lost to Seattle. I guess it's not the end of the world to keep him and have him as the player picked up in the expansion draft. If you manage to successfully trade for a guy like Rackell, you'd have to protect him, and expose one of Backlund, Mange, or Dube.

[dino7c]

Never trade a player in the division unless it's a far better offer.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Maybe instead of taking the diminished return, you keep him for the playoffs. He becomes a rental that you already have. Might be better than throwing other assets at a rental that might have to go through quarantine protocol.

And you roll the dice that playoff Bennett shows up. Sorry, but I believe in guys that I am confident in. Bennett is no guarantee. What happens if playoff Benny doesn't materialize and you are stuck with the current Benny? Now you've lost everything. I seriously doubt there is going to be much movement before the playoffs this season, just because of the quarantine requirements, so I doubt the Flames are going to be wasting assets on rentals. If Bennett is the rental, its a waste of an asset. Unless there is another up and comer in the Flames' system that is going to carry the mail and let Bennett's crease crashing payoff again, a la Dillion Dube, I don't see another occurrence of Sam "Electric" Bennett.

[David Struch]

The Leafs are familiar with Bennett. Dubas and Sheldon Keefe were with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds when Bennett broke into the Ontario Hockey League. He played for Doug Gilmour’s Kingston Frontenacs.

Bennett wears 93 because of Gilmour, and the Leafs great raved about Bennett. Gilmour said he saw a lot of himself in Bennett’s style of play. For those fans who are new to the Maple Leafs, Gilmour played for Calgary before being traded to Toronto – wouldn’t that be ironic.

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-l...e-for-bennett/

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by David Struch

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-l...e-for-bennett/

If we did trade him to leafs this time it would be nice to get the “gilmour “ return and Toronto get the “leeman” return.