2020 Blue Jays Season Thread - Page 193 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

flames_fan_down_under · 01-27-2021, 08:12 PM

It's an arm! And one that has MLB starting experience. Works for me. Plus gave up not a whole lot. SRF might enjoy a change in scenery, I don't really see him turning into much, and I know very little about the other two other than knowing they were Jays prospects.

JTech780 · 01-27-2021, 08:12 PM

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It's like they are collecting as many #4/5 starters as they can and hoping some of them have good years haha

Ray
Stripling
Roark
Matz

As far as pure stuff Ray and Matz are way ahead of Stripling and Roark.

I like this move Matz is a solid bounce back candidate and they gave up 3 AAA arms to get a legit MLB starter.

He is a 4/5 starter but he has good stuff like Ray, so there is upside.

They still need to find a #2 for the rotation.

Jiggy_12 · 01-27-2021, 08:14 PM

If this somehow means Roark pitches less, then it has to be considered an upgrade to the floor of this team.

Roof-Daddy · 01-27-2021, 08:29 PM

Still hoping we can get Paxton.

Jiggy_12 · 01-27-2021, 08:31 PM

Okay, took a much deeper dive in to Matz stats (that’s fun to say), and I’m going to walk back my comments a bit.

His numbers last year were brutal, but there looks to be a lot of bad luck involved with that small sample size. His BABIP was around .340 and his career average was around .301.

Give him a full season for that number to level out and his numbers look way better, closer to his 2018/2019 form which was actually passable if not decent.

This is an upgrade on Roark, no question about it.

Harry Lime · 01-27-2021, 09:19 PM

Roark has warts and is a bottom of the rotation guy, but he goes deep in games, and is an innings muncher. Matz and Ray are solid bounceback guys that could have moments of greatness in the 3 and 4 spots. Ryu the ace.

I agree with everyone that a #2 is needed, and Paxton fits the bill. Pearson is going to be on an innings count, and in order to save him for a potential post season, that means having him hovering outside of the set rotation.

Land Paxton, and I'm very excited about the season.

JTech780 · 01-27-2021, 11:29 PM

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Jays eat a bunch of salary to move Roark. Just don't see where he fits in the rotation.

JTech780 · 01-28-2021, 11:08 AM

The other thing to consider is that if the league does with expanded rosters, I wonder if the Jays would run a 6 man rotation. This makes a lot of sense to me, because even Ryu the ace can't always go every 5th day. Maybe they can get some of their starters deeper into the season if they are pitching every 6th day instead.

Parallex · 01-28-2021, 11:47 AM

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Wouldn't be surprised to see the Jays eat a bunch of salary to move Roark. Just don't see where he fits in the rotation.

I think they have to. This rotation...

Ryu
Pearson
Ray
Matz
Roark

... simply isn't good enough. They need a legit #3 starter. I halfway think/hope that the Matz deal happened so that they can eat money to move Roark without impacting payroll limits and add a legit #3 guy.

Roof-Daddy · 01-28-2021, 12:04 PM

The Jays were apparently after Tanaka.

So unless the acquisition of Matz quenches that thirst, I doubt they are done trying to add another more proven starter.

Now, they are just projections, but I found it interesting that fangraphs has projected the Jays to have the 10th highest starting pitching WAR in MLB, and 5th highest in the AL. While missing a true ace, and even more than just one (Ryu) proven top end of the rotation starter, they do have a ton of depth right now.

For all we know the Jays FO is content starting the season with what they have and going from there. Can always add later on if need be. Also, maybe us fans are "sleeping" on some of the younger Jays pitchers as well, where as it's possible the Jays FO sees these guys on a regular basis, gets constant updates and feedback on their progression, and believes some of them might be on the verge of a break out this coming season.

I dunno. I guess we'll see.

I still want to see Paxton signed though.

Jiggy_12 · 01-28-2021, 12:21 PM

Yeah let’s get Paxton or Walker or both, it’s the only weakness left

Samonadreau · 01-28-2021, 08:26 PM

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Yeah let’s get Paxton or Walker or both, it’s the only weakness left

Glaring weakness though.

flames_fan_down_under · 01-29-2021, 07:46 PM

Oops! Wrong thread.

Roof-Daddy · 01-30-2021, 10:49 AM

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JTech780 · 01-30-2021, 11:56 AM

I still wonder if the Jays are working on a Bryant, Hendricks deal. Would you be comfortable with Biggio going the other way in that deal? I think I would be fine with it.

Roof-Daddy · 01-30-2021, 12:06 PM

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I still wonder if the Jays are working on a Bryant, Hendricks deal. Would you be comfortable with Biggio going the other way in that deal? I think I would be fine with it.

It could be just posturing, but listening to Shapiro on the radio yesterday I wouldn't expect too much more to happen. He talked about not doing too much in one off season because you're more likely to make a mistake and ruin your long term flexibility.

He also mentioned a couple times how amazng next years free agency class is.

I could see them still adding a SP on a one year deal, but I don't think one year show me contracts are that appealing to pitchers when they're coming from an AL east team that isn't the Yankees.

Kasi · 01-30-2021, 03:00 PM

I don’t see why the Jays would want Bryant unless they trade another IF back. I can see them picking up another SP. I’m guessing they’ll eventually just resign Walker but it’s possible there could be a trade for a higher value pitcher.

And no I wouldn’t be happy losing Biggio for those 2. Hendricks is another finesse pitcher and those can be hit or miss in the AL east and Bryant is about to be a FA and is in decline already. Biggio is too much to give for them.

Blaster86 · 01-30-2021, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JTech780

I still wonder if the Jays are working on a Bryant, Hendricks deal. Would you be comfortable with Biggio going the other way in that deal? I think I would be fine with it.

No thanks. The truth is, so much money is coming off the books again after this season, if the perfect pieces aren't there just wait. Make a go this season, maybe get lucky with a couple of the 4/5 guys getting big

Roof-Daddy · 01-30-2021, 03:17 PM

I'm good with the position players the way they are set up. There is youth, room to grow, lots of versatility and no big money tied up long term except for Springer.

Plus there should be a few more studs coming up with ETAs over the next couple seasons.

Pitching will be frustrating again more often than not though IMO. Not a single ace type guy where you expect 7+ innings every time they start. Going to be a lot of pitch by committee, but hopefully a couple of young guys take the bull by the horns when given the chance this season.

GirlySports · 01-30-2021, 03:38 PM

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I'm good with the position players the way they are set up. There is youth, room to grow, lots of versatility and no big money tied up long term except for Springer.

Plus there should be a few more studs coming up with ETAs over the next couple seasons.

Pitching will be frustrating again more often than not though IMO. Not a single ace type guy where you expect 7+ innings every time they start. Going to be a lot of pitch by committee, but hopefully a couple of young guys take the bull by the horns when given the chance this season.

That's gone the way of the dodo bird. Montoyo's using the no third time through the order strategy so be prepared to be frustrated.