Blow it up!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Red

Dube...hmm...look at his NHL career stats. If he is the difference maker here then we are in trouble.

Well true, but then again he is at the age where you see benefits from internal growth

Tre did not really bring in Leivo, Simon and Nordstrom to be difference makers

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well true, but then again he is at the age where you see benefits from internal growth

Tre did not really bring in Leivo, Simon and Nordstrom to be difference makers

They (leivo, Simon) were handed the top6 RWs to start the season.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Numbers aren't everything. Dube plays an important role on this team and his absence has thrown these lines into disarray.

That is true and with that a very scary realization.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

They were handed the top6 RWs to start the season.

Yeah, that was nuts. Leivo is 27, in his age prime, and had 169 games across 8 seasons. Only the last 2 years did he stick, and that was with the rebuilding Canucks

I pointed this out before the season and it made some people unhappy

Tre signed them to the right dollar amounts but if he thought he was slotting in a bubble player top 6 that is more ‘smartest guy in the room’ stuff

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by Boreal

That’s right in alignment with your last gif, Queen of the Dramatic.

[Red]

the problem with the Flames forwards starts and end with Gaudreau and Monahan. As it stands, 5 on 5 the team has no top line. Hard to win that way.

Time to upgrade on Monahan. Great shot, but nothing else there. Johhny at least makes his linemates better. Monahan is the weak link.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Red

the problem with the Flames forwards starts and end with Gaudreau and Monahan. As it stands, 5 on 5 the team has no top line. Hard to win that way.

Time to upgrade on Monahan. Great shot, but nothing else there. Johhny at least makes his linemates better. Monahan is the weak link.

Who is Johnny making better?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Red

the problem with the Flames forwards starts and end with Gaudreau and Monahan. As it stands, 5 on 5 the team has no top line. Hard to win that way.

Time to upgrade on Monahan. Great shot, but nothing else there. Johhny at least makes his linemates better. Monahan is the weak link.

People have been saying that for three offseasons now.

So treliving signed a big name goalie and signed 3 bottom 6 forwards and moved Lindholm to C.... That's the solution he felt sets the team up for the most immediate and future success. Really amazing.

[Red]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

People have been saying that for three offseasons now.

So treliving signed a big name goalie and signed 3 bottom 6 forwards and moved Lindholm to C.... That's the solution he felt sets the team up for the most immediate and future success. Really amazing.

Its a tough gig, I feel for him. He is afraid to lose the Monahan/Johhny trade. Sort of like the oilers, more interested in winning a trade than helping the team.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Red

Its a tough gig, I feel for him. He is afraid to lose the Monahan/Johhny trade. Sort of like the oilers, more interested in winning a trade than helping the team.

It's his own doing. Look no further than trying to accelerate out of the rebuilding phase way too early. I definitely don't want him to be the gm to make these moves. He seems like an elite assistant gm, not the main guy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Dube...hmm...look at his NHL career stats. If he is the difference maker here then we are in trouble.

It’s not so much that he is a difference maker all on his own, but he makes the lines work a lot better.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I’m not sure this steadfast determination to put Lindholm at C ices the best lineup

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
Leivo-Ryan-Simon

All three of those top 3 lines have worked very well for decent stretches of time. The first one was one of the best in the league year before last, the second was hot down the stretch and the third gelled during the playoffs. It was never a thing during the actual season.

Let’s say last year was an anomaly and there is a return to activating the D and playing with pace

Does it really make sense to push Backlund to third line minutes and give Lievo or Simon top 6 minutes?

There is a big part of me that would like to see a return to these top 3 lines. It’s closer to how people are being paid

[flames_fan_down_under]

This team knows how to put just enough effort in to make it look like they almost pulled out a W, enough to keep that little bit of hope in the fanbase simmering at the surface. A missed chance here, a bad bounce there and it would have been closer! It’s the same players, the same core, the same effort. The bulk of the minutes are Johnny, Monahan, Backlund, Tkachuk and Gio. We know what this team is, there is no mystery, they’re not all of a sudden going to flip a switch and be like “oh right this is how to win!”. They’re a mid tier team with a flawed construction, no top end talent down the middle, and our best players are very slow.

[Igottago]

Way too early for panic but I understand the concerns. The core has needed a major shakeup for a couple seasons now and we are still seeing some signs of the same old Flames. Although I genuinely think they've looked pretty good at times and didn't play to badly against the Leafs. I think this is absolutely the last kick at the can with this core group in tact. And I'm not saying Ward is terrible but the unwillingness to hire an elite coach still frustrates me.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s not so much that he is a difference maker all on his own, but he makes the lines work a lot better.

It's reassuring to know they're only one forward injury away from total collapse at all times... Hallmark of a well-constructed team. Yet somehow Tampa Bay manages to win a cup without Stamkos. Too bad the Flames can't win a game without Dube.

[timbit]

Who was the Canadiens coach when Calgary lost in the SC final ...85/86?

Was he ever a HC again?

[Pickle Juice]

Everyone is to blame for this loss but seriously really curious how Ward only played money and Jonny on the pp at the end? Even at 4 on 4 he sat them!’ Unless he knows something we don’t that bothers me!

Only reason I could see that happening is because it was a late night the night b4.

I hope I’m wrong cause I have never been the guy to speculate about the after hour stuff but man... to come within 2 and sit 2 of the best players on this team?

[Red]

Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame

It's reassuring to know they're only one forward injury away from total collapse at all times... Hallmark of a well-constructed team. Yet somehow Tampa Bay manages to win a cup without Stamkos. Too bad the Flames can't win a game without Dube.

A sophomore at that. A guy that has 8 goals to his career.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by timbit

Who was the Canadiens coach when Calgary lost in the SC final ...85/86?

Was he ever a HC again?

The legendary Bob Johnson coached the Flames don't remember the Canadiens coach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Who was the Canadiens coach when Calgary lost in the SC final ...85/86?

Was he ever a HC again?

Jean Perron? Coached 2 more years in Mtl and a half year in Quebec.