Blow it up!

[Roof-Daddy]

lol I see Tkachuks hissy fit really got the team motivated for tonight.

[Roof-Daddy]

So moving a winger to C isn't the answer then?

LOL

[Red_Baron]

I don't know, the only thing I know for sure is that Rittich needs to play a decent amount to be an okay goaltender, he is lousy in a backup role.

The last playoff game and now this, he just doesn't have the right mental balance for a backup role.

[Monahammer]

Lol team sucks benny scores.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Boggles the mind that Treliving decided to hire yet another unproven, 'bargain bin' head coach. Boudreau stated he would coach anywhere. Gerard Gallant is still out there... Seriously, Brad. Bite the freakin' bullet and get a proven head coach for once.

We’re getting schooled at every turn. That 5 day break = 2019 ASG

[Rubicant]

This team isn’t a contender for the cup, and that should really be the only goal.

We needed the Bennett pick to be for a 1st line centre and it just didn’t happen. We need higher end players and the main way to do that is to draft high and with lots of picks.

Do a proper rebuild for once and don’t try to shortcut your way out of it.

Of course none of this will happen, and I look forward to another 30 years of a franchise spinning its wheels and landing in the land of ‘meh’.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So moving a winger to C isn't the answer then?

LOL

Why would we want to move a winger to C when what we actually need IS a winger?

There was a lot of derision on this board in response to posts about signing Toffoli in the offseason, yet the guy has 16 goals in 19 games. Meanwhile, tons of support for the lateral swap of Monahan for PLD. I don’t get it. “Screw adding proven top-six offence on our wing without giving anything up... let’s give up a pile of assets to swap centermen for a net reduction in offence instead!”

I don’t think some people here are quite as smart as they think they are.

[Manhattanboy]

The only thought re this thread that comes to mind is how tiring it has been hearing about all the trades the Flames were supposedly in on, that didn't come together for this reason or that....

[dino7c]

Lindholm is a center...he was moved to the wing

[Abatedmean]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

This team isn’t a contender for the cup, and that should really be the only goal.

We needed the Bennett pick to be for a 1st line centre and it just didn’t happen. We need higher end players and the main way to do that is to draft high and with lots of picks.

Do a proper rebuild for once and don’t try to shortcut your way out of it.

Of course none of this will happen, and I look forward to another 30 years of a franchise spinning its wheels and landing in the land of ‘meh’.

Unless we can dump Lucic, sign Hall, and are either signing JG and SM or trading them for good value now, I am fine for a rebuild. But I don't want another rebuild like we did last time. In hindsight, that Hamonic trade was just such a bad idea. The team needed the picks and the prospects to keep internally developing.

So for me, unless we can get some pretty substantial stuff done in the next offseason. I would much rather trading JG and SM for some picks and just load up on the 22/23 drafts, and I would not mind tanking for a shot at Wright either as someone else above commented

[the-rasta-masta]

Ridiculous thread after 6 games.

Arguably the Flames deserved to win the first game against the Leafs, didn't get the bounces. Since then we had a really poor start in the second leafs game, and then a real stinker tonight with Rittich letting in some weak goals.

Teams go through 2 games of playing poor hockey every season, even the best. It's not time to fully decide what this team is yet, because for the most part, with Markstrom in, they've only had just the one really poor period against the Leafs. Give it some time.

[ComixZone]

The sooner a rebuild begins, the quicker we can watch this team mismanage itself right back into the middle of the pack with short sighted trades alongside poor coaching and free agent signings!

[Mathgod]

Let's say Dube was in the lineup vs the Leafs; win one of those games and lose the other in extra time. Then lose this one vs the Habs as first regulation loss. 3-1-2 instead of 2-3-1.

Would we still be here talking about blowing it up? I doubt it. Let's hang in there and see how these next 10-15 games go before talking about blowing anything up.

Trading for the sake of trading doesn't necessarily make the situation better... a couple of big trades stand out... remember the one that brought Jokinen here, or the one that shipped Phaneuf out of town...

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Ridiculous thread after 6 games.

Arguably the Flames deserved to win the first game against the Leafs, didn't get the bounces. Since then we had a really poor start in the second leafs game, and then a real stinker tonight with Rittich letting in some weak goals.

Teams go through 2 games of playing poor hockey every season, even the best. It's not time to fully decide what this team is yet, because for the most part, with Markstrom in, they've only had just the one really poor period against the Leafs. Give it some time.

I think we can fully decide they are mediocre AF.

[Dion]

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I don't know, the only thing I know for sure is that Rittich needs to play a decent amount to be an okay goaltender, he is lousy in a backup role.

The last playoff game and now this, he just doesn't have the right mental balance for a backup role.

Yeah, his mental makeup would have made Gio cover Gallagher?

Would have stopped the Weber slapper that Valimaki deflected top shelf?

[FanIn80]

As much as I really like Treliving’s style, composure, professionalism and negotiation skills... I am still very much convinced that he is not the kind of GM who would want a veteran coach. Especially not one with a decent resume. Tree is only a few years in on his career as a GM, and veteran coaches are typically more willing to fight for something they want to do — especially ones who have won something before.

So what do we do? If we want a good coach with a pedigree, we’ll likely need a new GM first. It will have to be someone who himself has some pedigree, or we’re right back in square one again.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

As much as I really like Treliving’s style, composure, professionalism and negotiation skills... I am still very much convinced that he is not the kind of GM who would want a veteran coach. Especially not one with a decent resume. Tree is only a few years in on his career as a GM, and veteran coaches are typically more willing to fight for something they want to do — especially ones who have won something before.

So what do we do? If we want a good coach with a pedigree, we’ll likely need a new GM first. It will have to be someone who himself has some pedigree, or we’re right back in square one again.

I definitely had that opinion during Tre’s selection of GG and Peters. Couldn’t have a situation like Sutter who may get along with the owners

But he’s enough years in to this that he should be hiring best available

[neo45]

The team isn’t nearly as bad as it seems

I think still top 3 in the division*. We’ve had some bad periods and weird losses but it’s 6 games in and key additions have looked good like Markstrom

Ward’s player usage is terrifying though. Gulutzan-esque.

[FanIn80]

Here’s a crazy thought... Connie and Tree as co-GMs.

Conroy in charge of personnel decisions for players and coaching staffs. Treliving in charge of contract and trade negotiations. Essentially Connie would be like, “I want player X, and these are my guys you can trade from.”

In terms of coaching changes, I don’t think Conroy would ever care about a power struggle. I think he’d bring in whatever coach he wants. He’s obviously a good guy, but I sense a very cutthroat side to him. I don’t think he’d have any problems at all with swinging some axes around.

We could ride that out until Tree’s contract is up and then it’s 100% Conroy.