American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Lanny_McDonald]

Just the opposite. Those who voted for a guy who thought it was a hoax need to be vaccinated first because they take no responsibility for their actions and refuse to take precautionary measures in wearing PPE and practicing distancing. These are the people that will continue to be a threat and spread the virus. Those who understand the individual responsibility of protecting one's self is also the best way to protect others are the people who are helping control the virus in the first place. I will give up my vaccination to someone who doesn't practice appropriate protective measures as it will protect my community more in the long run and then provide greater protection to myself and my family as the virus will have no where to go.

[nfotiu]

I'm getting tired of all the controversy about who gets the vaccine first. Like everything with this pandemic, the macro is so much more important than the micro. Whatever the fastest way to get it into the most people's arms, do that. Sure, prioritize health care workers, and the vulnerable, but not at the expense of getting it out quickly.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I agree, get it out there as quickly as possible, but the reality is you do have triage this because we have finite resources available and you have to maximize the effectiveness of those resources. You want to make sure you protect the front line and most critical people first. If those people are on the front lines fighting the virus and getting exposed, you want to give them every protection possible to prevent the spread. If people can shelter in place and be responsible about their behaviors, hold off on them and vaccinate them last as they are a low risk group. Bottom line, use the vaccine the best way to prevent the spread which means they do have to manage it appropriately.

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1352964302236483584

[troutman]

Supreme Court dismisses challenges to Trump's business profits

The cases raised a novel question about a president's ability to receive income from businesses patronized by government officials.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...ofits-n1255524

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by New Era

I agree, get it out there as quickly as possible, but the reality is you do have triage this because we have finite resources available and you have to maximize the effectiveness of those resources. You want to make sure you protect the front line and most critical people first. If those people are on the front lines fighting the virus and getting exposed, you want to give them every protection possible to prevent the spread. If people can shelter in place and be responsible about their behaviors, hold off on them and vaccinate them last as they are a low risk group. Bottom line, use the vaccine the best way to prevent the spread which means they do have to manage it appropriately.

I don't really disagree, but if the triage is slowing things down significantly to some kind of brute force distribution, then it's not really worth it.

The Washington Post had an interesting article about putting people who've had it at the back of the line. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-vaccine-line/

It seems taboo to assume that people who've had are immune, but it seems there is enough evidence that people who've had it have some significant level of immunity. The fastest way to control the spread is to combine the natural immune people with the vaccinated immune people. Also a lot of the prioritized people are the groups to most likely have had it already.

On the other hand, trying to factor in who has had it, slows things down more. The 7 day averages have been on a pretty steep decline for 2 weeks now in the US, so hopefully there is some combination of vaccinated and natural immunity that is significantly slowing the spread anyway.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I look at distributing the vaccine like boarding an airplane.

There's the statically fastest way to board a place.

There's the zone method where high priority passengers get to board first (need help, small children, high paying aka business & frequent flyer passengers).

Then there's the most efficient SouthWest way, line up and every seat is open method.

Is SouthWest's model the fastest? No.
Does SouthWest's model make everyone happy? The stress of not knowing your seat until you sit down? No.
Does SouthWest have the quickest boarding times in the industry? Yes.

Do that.

Set up drive-thrus. Pull up, get jabbed, move on with your day. Don't worry about DYKWIAs. Don't worry about who is rich and who is poor. Don't worry about who is high risk and who isn't. Don't worry about who had COVID and who hasn't.

Give it to everyone as quick as possible.

Jab, Jab, Jab, voila!

[calumniate]

Dirty Rudy G sued for 1.3 bills

[calculoso]

I wonder how much planning us been going into making sure people can get their second shot within the required timeframe. I would hope that they are somewhat prioritized as well

[jayswin]

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I'm getting tired of all the controversy about who gets the vaccine first. Like everything with this pandemic, the macro is so much more important than the micro. Whatever the fastest way to get it into the most people's arms, do that. Sure, prioritize health care workers, and the vulnerable, but not at the expense of getting it out quickly.

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I don't really disagree, but if the triage is slowing things down significantly to some kind of brute force distribution, then it's not really worth it.

The Washington Post had an interesting article about putting people who've had it at the back of the line. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-vaccine-line/

It seems taboo to assume that people who've had are immune, but it seems there is enough evidence that people who've had it have some significant level of immunity. The fastest way to control the spread is to combine the natural immune people with the vaccinated immune people. Also a lot of the prioritized people are the groups to most likely have had it already.

On the other hand, trying to factor in who has had it, slows things down more. The 7 day averages have been on a pretty steep decline for 2 weeks now in the US, so hopefully there is some combination of vaccinated and natural immunity that is significantly slowing the spread anyway.

Yep, just like the stimulus cheques. Don't slow things down just get them out there right away so people don't lose their homes and miss bills, am I right?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, just like the stimulus cheques. Don't slow things down just get them out there right away so people don't lose their homes and miss bills, am I right?

If the problem was money needed in the overall economy, like the first round, then yeah, I'd agree.

[Boreal]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/domini...rump-1.5886273

Dominion is seeking $1.3 billion in damages from the former New York City mayor, alleging in the lawsuit that "he and his allies manufactured and disseminated the 'Big Lie,' which foreseeably went viral and deceived millions of people into believing that Dominion had stolen their votes and fixed the election."

Dominion said it filed the Giuliani lawsuit "to set the record straight" and to "stand up for itself, its employees, and the electoral process."

Dominion states in its lawsuit that it has spent $565,000 on private security to protect its employees, who are facing harassment and death threats.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

If the problem was money needed in the overall economy, like the first round, then yeah, I'd agree.

But the problem with the stimulus cheques was actually that people desperately needed them to stay afloat, hence handing them out to everyone so they could get them in time.

You wanted a more concentrated roll out that targeted who to give them to, but likely hurt a lot of people that were drowning. I just saw it as a funny comparison to your vaccine strategy, wasn't meant as a shot or anything.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The real news we all cared about

https://twitter.com/user/status/1353675058405928962

[Weitz]

Do the dogs just get free range around the grounds? Or are the handled pretty tightly? I always wondered about that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I wonder how much planning us been going into making sure people can get their second shot within the required timeframe. I would hope that they are somewhat prioritized as well

It varies from state-to-state, but the Trump admin didn't care about the required second shot.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/h...6-e326bc7ea801

"The Trump administration is asking states to speed delivery of COVID-19 vaccines to people 65 and older and to others at high risk by no longer holding back the second dose of the two-dose shots, officials said Tuesday."

Irresponsibility at all levels, but especially the highest.

[opendoor]

Almost nowhere with regular deliveries is holding back 2nd shots. It makes no sense to keep half your doses in a freezer doing nothing when you're just going to get more the next week. And in the event of a supply disruption (like Canada is seeing starting this week), you just delay the 2nd dose. The UK is delaying up to 12 weeks in order to cover more people. And the US likely has the most stable supply in the world, so states holding back 2nd doses is asinine.

The 21/28 day intervals for Pfizer/Moderna weren't determined through rigorous experimentation; the companies just went with the shortest intervals that they thought would work in order to speed up the trials and provide protection in the shortest time frame.

[CaptainCrunch]

Biden to sign his buy America executive order today.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...onday-n1255487

The executive order directs agencies to strengthen requirements about purchasing products and services from U.S. workers and businesses, cuts some red tape and creates a position in the Office of Management and Budget responsible for enforcing the directive, an administration official told reporters on a conference call Sunday.
The order will also reiterate the Biden administration's support for the Jones Act, which limits foreign maritime shipping between U.S. ports to U.S.-made and -owned vessels.
During the campaign, Biden proposed a Buy American plan calling for a $400 billion, four-year increase in government purchasing of U.S.-made products and services. Former President Donald Trump made a similar push, but the Biden administration official said the new effort is a "clear directive" with a "clear direction."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7597523/b...ican-canada-2/

The plan promises to increase the amount of U.S. content a project would require to qualify as being “made in America.”


It also includes a “crackdown” on waivers like the hard-won exceptions Canada secured during the Obama administration in 2010.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Almost nowhere with regular deliveries is holding back 2nd shots. It makes no sense to keep half your doses in a freezer doing nothing when you're just going to get more the next week. And in the event of a supply disruption (like Canada is seeing starting this week), you just delay the 2nd dose. The UK is delaying up to 12 weeks in order to cover more people. And the US likely has the most stable supply in the world, so states holding back 2nd doses is asinine.

The 21/28 day intervals for Pfizer/Moderna weren't determined through rigorous experimentation; the companies just went with the shortest intervals that they thought would work in order to speed up the trials and provide protection in the shortest time frame.

Please stop. You really don't have a clue what you are talking about. Disinformation like this is very dangerous.