2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When was the last time the Flames gave up high picks for a player of Dubois' calibre? Probably Hamilton, right? That was a steal of a trade.

And before that.........

I can think of a lot of instances of the Flames giving up high picks for mediocre players. But a guy like Dubois, a guy who gives you that 80-90-point potential... is that not the kind of player who you trade firsts to get?

You should watch that video above your post a couple times and let me know if a big haul is worth it.

Hope is not a strategy and you gotta build through the draft in today’s NHL. PLD is a 60 pt player pouting about something. He’s young and has size but again this is not Eric Lindros.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The last thing I want to see is the Flames backing out on Dubois out of concerns about his motivation and then him go to Vegas or Colorado and put up 100 points.

Even worse would be for the Flames to give up the motherload to get him, only to find that he doesn't progress as a player, and the criticisms of him being lazy and entitled are proven true. By trading all that talent to get him, they end their opportunity to compete for a Stanley Cup and need to start their rebuild.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

You should watch that video above your post a couple times and let me know if a big haul is worth it.

One shift should not be close to enough to deter teams from three years' worth of top-quality offensive play-driving.

It's clearly a bad situation and I think we're being far too quick to judge.

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Even worse would be for the Flames to give up the motherload to get him, only to find that he doesn't progress as a player, and the criticisms of him being lazy and entitled are proven true. By trading all that talent to get him, they end their opportunity to compete for a Stanley Cup and need to start their rebuild.

Why is Dubois the only one in this situation who should be criticized? Clearly it has gotten to a certain tipping point and who are we to proclaim that it is solely due to the player's actions?

[Sandman]

I'm a huge proponent of aquiring PLD, but obviously, I don't condone a player quitting on his team, if that's indeed the case.

However, there's been talk many times before where a player's motivation (or lack therof) was questioned due to a dysfunctional situation. Steve Yzerman comes to mind-Bowman had some difficulty getting him to buy into his system, and there was some trade rumours for a while, and we all know the kind of heart-and-soul player he was. PLD is obviously no Yzerman, but maybe this is not a true representation of what the player is all about. Chris Pronger had a reputation of being hard to coach as well, and I know there's others....

I still pray there's some way that we aquire him. If the price has come down a bit, all the better.

[jg13]

Looks very similar to the James Harden situation from the NBA last week. Doing whatever he can to get traded.

and for those who don't follow basketball.. he exploded for a huge first game, got interviewed about it after and said "it's easy when you play with great players."

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

One shift should not be close to enough to deter teams from three years' worth of top-quality offensive play-driving.

It's clearly a bad situation and I think we're being far too quick to judge.



Why is Dubois the only one in this situation who should be criticized? Clearly it has gotten to a certain tipping point.

Yeah very fair. It’s worth a call and see if they’ll tell you what the issue is but I’m more just referring to some of the lopsided proposals being knocked around in here is what I don’t want to see happen. For example I would not want to see a guy like Valimaki go and I think at a minimum that’s what they’ll want.

I would consider Monahan straight up possibly.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When was the last time the Flames gave up high picks for a player of Dubois' calibre? Probably Hamilton, right? That was a steal of a trade.

And before that.........

I can think of a lot of instances of the Flames giving up high picks for mediocre players. But a guy like Dubois, a guy who gives you that 80-90-point potential... is that not the kind of player who you trade firsts to get?

Exactly right. You either wait for your team to lose bad enough to get a top-3 pick,or pray for a situation like his. Kinda like when SJ got Thorton.....

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah very fair. It’s worth a call and see if they’ll tell you what the issue is but I’m more just referring to some of the lopsided proposals being knocked around in here is what I don’t want to see happen. For example I would not want to see a guy like Valimaki go and I think at a minimum that’s what they’ll want.

I understand not wanting to trade Valimaki for a guy in Stone who's seven years older. And Valimaki is a great feel-good player who's doing amazingly well after some rough times.

But Dubois is just one year older and is a much better player. I think you have to consider it, at the very least, if Columbus wants Juuso.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

One shift should not be close to enough to deter teams from three years' worth of top-quality offensive play-driving.

It's clearly a bad situation and I think we're being far too quick to judge.



Why is Dubois the only one in this situation who should be criticized? Clearly it has gotten to a certain tipping point and who are we to proclaim that it is solely due to the player's actions?

My point is the Flames do not know what they would be acquiring and so they need to be cautious. Throwing all their chips in because someone feels he is destined for greatness would be foolish. His career could go either way. This could be a low point for him, or it could be the way it goes from here on. Do you remember Jimmy Carson? 286 points in his first three seasons. After that, he is more or less a journeyman playing for four teams in seven years and is out of the NHL and in Europe by age 27.

There are no guarantees this guy turns it around.

Because the Flames were looking to shake up the Monahan/Gaudreau combo due to their lack of playoff production, I could see the Flames making a pitch. Monahan and maybe something else (not a first rounder) may make some sense. Don't give up so much that the Flames will be hurting for years if he doesn't develop into a first line centre.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

One shift should not be close to enough to deter teams from three years' worth of top-quality offensive play-driving.

It's clearly a bad situation and I think we're being far too quick to judge.



Why is Dubois the only one in this situation who should be criticized? Clearly it has gotten to a certain tipping point and who are we to proclaim that it is solely due to the player's actions?

Cause he is supposed to be a professional. That act was anything but.

Now, who knows whats going on with him. Could be something as simple as personalities not getting along or hopefully not something more inidious.

But that, in no way. excuses that kind of behaviour. If he doesnt want to play at all, then just tell the coach and management and go home to wait for the call.Its not fair to your organization that is paying you millions of dollars, its not fair to the fans of the team and its really unfair for your team mates who have to play that many more minutes because you cant find it in yourself to just do your damn job.

Try that kind of thing with your employer and let me now how that goes.

Truly embarrassing. And I say this, again, assuming it is merely hockey related and not something personal.

Its really simple...if he doesnt want to play, then he shouldnt. Just dont yank the whole team along instead.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

My point is the Flames do not know what they would be acquiring and so they need to be cautious. Throwing all their chips in because someone feels he is destined for greatness would be foolish. His career could go either way.

Isn't this a risk with basically any trade, though?

[mrdonkey]

If PLD isn't happy in Columbus I don't see a very compelling argument for why he'd be any better in Calgary. Seems like one of those players who only wants to go to New York or Vegas.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Isn't this a risk with basically any trade, though?

Yes, and it is why you need to be cautious. Some are suggesting trading whatever it will take, and that is not how good trades tend to be made.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Cause he is supposed to be a professional. That act was anything but.

Now, who knows whats going on with him. Could be something as simple as personalities not getting along or hopefully not something more inidious.

But that, in no way. excuses that kind of behaviour. If he doesnt want to play at all, then just tell the coach and management and go home to wait for the call.Its not fair to your organization that is paying you millions of dollars, its not fair to the fans of the team and its really unfair for your team mates who have to play that many more minutes because you cant find it in yourself to just do your damn job.

Try that kind of thing with your employer and let me now how that goes.

Truly embarrassing. And I say this, again, assuming it is merely hockey related and not something personal.

Its really simple...if he doesnt want to play, then he shouldnt. Just dont yank the whole team along instead.

This.

I’d rather a player just be honest and sit out than do what he did tonight.

Showing up to play and then actively not caring and giving up on the ice is the worst show of character IMO.

Honestly I don’t see what Columbus has done in this scenario that would justify this type of behaviour from Dubois in any way.

If he was that unhappy he should have just not signed his contract with Columbus and not played until he was traded. Instead he was happy to sign his contract and collect a paycheque.

No excuse for doing what he did on that shift tonight, and based on what I’ve seen from Columbus fans or beat writers his effort had been poor all year.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Yes, and it is why you need to be cautious. Some are suggesting trading whatever it will take, and that is not how good trades tend to be made.

Of course. Without a doubt they need to be proactive and talk to a ton of different sources about the whole situation. I'm not saying they should take out a second mortgage on the defense corps. But they should also not sit idly by — and fortunately Tre doesn't seem the type to do that.

[Sandman]

For the sake of argument, the Dallas Stars didn't know 100% what they would get when they traded for Seguin. At the time, Seguin had a bad reputation for his extracurricular activities, and for being a paycheck player, but the Stars put together what was considered a good package for him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Sometimes your GM has a really good off season

Maybe time to pump the brakes on trying to trade a guy who has several years of consistent productivity, has shown he is interested in getting coaches to help him improving his overall game, has earned his letter, is obviously respected by his teammates and good in the room for a disgruntled guy who may turn out to be a risky fit on or off the ice

This isn’t a video game

[jroc]

Originally Posted by Sandman

For the sake of argument, the Dallas Stars didn't know 100% what they would get when they traded for Seguin. At the time, Seguin had a bad reputation for his extracurricular activities, and for being a paycheck player, but the Stars put together what was considered a good package for him.

Was it a good package in reality? Or just good because they dooped Chiarelli?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

If PLD isn't happy in Columbus I don't see a very compelling argument for why he'd be any better in Calgary. Seems like one of those players who only wants to go to New York or Vegas.

I don't know what what his motivation is, but when it came out that he wanted to go to a bigger market, Freidman made the point that bigger market doesn't mean bigger city. It could be that he just wants to go to a market with more hype.

I recently read a review of all American markets and Columbus was ranked 21/24 as far as people in the city actually caring about the team. A big part of that is that they have sucked almost non-stop since coming into the league with a couple seasons of being just OK. It seems like the fans they do have are pretty engaged and their attendance isn't bad at all. They made it sound like Columbus was a city of 2 million (metro), with about 20,000 hardcore fans and 1.98 million people that simply DGAF. That would be soul sucking for some players I imagine.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Knut

Last shift for Dubois here. Before the benching. It’s terrible. Like 10 strides. Zero compete.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1352453206689898497

And people seriously think we should be selling the farm for this guy? Hard pass. He’s overrated and anyone who acts like that isn’t worth trading for. I’d rather keep Monahan.