[GDT] Game 3: Flames vs Canucks SN1/Fan960 7pm MT

[savardandjokinen]

Backlunds penalties bother me more than Bennett. Maybe because I never noticed them early in his career but the last few years there’s been too many at bad times. I expect them out of Bennett as that’s the way he’s been his whole career

[dissentowner]

Just fn win, I don't care how.

[Robbob]

Today is game 3 of 10 in our 10 game point streak.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Not to take away from the points vs win percent conversation and the whinging about Bennett, but I’m looking forward to the game tonight.

They just came off a decisive win, where the PK was solid, and the PP was surgical

I’ve been quite impressed with Markstrom, Tanev, Nesterov and the limited viewing of Simon

It looks like Dube, Mangiapane and Hanifin are improving on last year, developing nicely

What a time to be a Flames fan

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Actually OT was not part of the regular season until 83/84 iirc.

It was win, loss or tie.

Which is why the Flames are a .500 team now or 50 years ago. OT/SO losses just replaced tie games.

1-0-1 now.......1 win 1 loss. 3 pts.

1-0-1 then......1 win 1 tie 3pts.

Sorry transplant (nothing personal) but if you are old enough, back then people would say a team is x amount of games over ,500.

So if a team ended at 41-31-8 (Flames in 78), the team was 10 games above ,500. and not 2 as some are saying on this site.

They always subtracted the losses to the wins to get this number.

The 8 ties don't mean a thing. It's like kissing your own sister! That was the saying back then.

Now with the younger generation, first we lose a planet and now this new way of computing?

To me Flames are 1 game over ,500 as we speak and will make it 2 after tonight.

[Duffalufagus]

First post in over a year.

This may be the best team we have seen since the iPod was invented.

Exciting year for sure. Monny and Johnny have to produce. If they do, we have a real shot.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He is what he is at this point. Lacks finish, stifles or outright kills momentum. Always leaves you wanting more.

Until playoffs start.

Then hes the best hard nosed third liner in the league.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Backlunds penalties bother me more than Bennett. Maybe because I never noticed them early in his career but the last few years there’s been too many at bad times. I expect them out of Bennett as that’s the way he’s been his whole career

At the same time, Backs plays against the top lines and those kinds of players are generally harder to handle resulting in mistakes/errors in judgement to occur easier at times. Doesn't help that because he's one of our top PKers that if he takes a penalty it looks worse because it has more likelihood of being on the PK than others. Not justifying the penalties, but the conditions are under a far greater magnifying glass for atleast 30% of backlunds TOI imo

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[Itse]

While I get the argument that points% is what matters, that doesn't mean that we should bother tracking whether the Flames are above or below .500% in points.

I'll use the 2018-19 regular season to point out why. (Because it's the latest full regular season.)

Teams with with a win% at or above .500 are marked with a W
and teams with points% at or above .500 are marked with a P

WP Lightning 62-20, 128pts
WP Bruins 49-33, 107pts
WP Capitals 48-34, 104pts
WP Islanders 48-34, 103pts
WP Maple Leafs 46-36 100pts
WP Penguins 44-38, 100pts
WP Hurricanes 46-36, 99pts
WP Blue Jackets 47-35, 98pts
---------playoffs---------
WP Canadiens 44-38, 96pts
P Panthers 36-46, 86pts
P Flyers 37-45, 82pts
Rangers 32-50, 78pts
Sabres 33-49, 76pts
Red Wings 32-50, 74pts
Devils 32-50, 72pts
Senators 29-53, 64pts


WP Flames 50-32, 107pts
WP Sharks 46-36, 101pts
WP Predators 47-35, 100pts
WP Jets 47-35, 99pts
WP Blues 45-37, 99pts
WP Stars 43-39, 93pts
WP Golden Knights 43-39, 93pts
P Avalanche 38-44, 90pts
---------playoffs---------
P Coyotes 39-43, 86pts
P Blackhawks 36-46, 84pts
P Wild 37-45, 83pts
Canucks 35-47, 81pts
Ducks 35-47, 80pts
Oilers 35-47, 79pts
Kings 31-51, 71pts

As you can see, being above or below .500 in win% matches almost perfectly with being in or out of the playoffs, and thus it's a very relevant indicator. As long as half the teams are in and half are out, that's not going to change, regardless of what the points system is. Being above or below .500 in points% means pretty much nothing with the current point system, it's just too low a bar to be relevant.

[Bingo]

It will be interesting to see what teams can beat the same team in the same city in back to back games the most.

Always seems harder to sweep those back to backs with travel, but in the same city they seemed destined for a split more often than not.

Not tonight though!

[DeluxeMoustache]

When I look at the standings mid season, and teams have played different numbers of games, I quickly scan the W number and the L number and don’t pay as much attention to OTL

That W-L is the difference between wins and regulation losses, is an easy basis for comparison, and is how the standings end up.

I would actually not mind seeing standings ranked by games above .500

[djsFlames]

All I ask for is no complacency here. Let's keep the good vibes going by executing the same game plan, bringing that edge again from all lines, with a bit more emphasis on discipline and it will be hard to be dissatisfied no matter the result because the Canucks will have to play a hell of a game to beat us if we do those things.

This is a good roster with a high floor. But still need to keep their feet moving for sixty minutes to have success.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

In sports talk, .500 isn't about "points" or the standings". Heck in hockey, a .500 points percentage is somrthing a 26th or 27th place team has - that is a meaningless metric.

Winning half your games is a meaningful metric. Not to the standings - but to the level a team is playing at.

In "sports talk" .500 is a metric that shows if you have won half of the points you could have won. If a team plays two games and loses in the shootout of both games it has the same number of points and place in the standings (not counting tie breakers) as if they won one and lost one in regulation. If you took a test and got 50%, it's the same score if someone got all the points on five questions and or half the points on 10 questions.

No one has said having a .500 record gets you into the playoffs. Some of us have even said you will miss the playoffs with a .500 record. Based on your thoughts 43-41-0 is a meaningful metric because it shows the team has won more than half of the games. That team finished with 86 points and will miss the playoffs in a 31 team NHL. A team's record includes all regulation wins, overtime wins, shootout wins, regulation losses, overtime losses, and shootout losses. A .500 record incorporates all six of those scenarios, with different amounts given to categories. A quotient doesn't have and/or give off feelings. It's a result.

Whether a team is .250, .333, .648, .847, or any other figure, you can still feel any way you want about the team. It doesn't change that a .500 record includes points awarded for not winning the game in regulation. If you want to precise, then you can say .500 winning percentage. But saying .500, refers to the record and/or points percentage. For proof, again, look at the standings of the NHL or NFL. The Flames record of 1-0-1 has them listed at 0.750.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Us fans don't tune in rooting for their team to get an OTL.

Obviously I have never started watching a game with my desired result being an OTL. I hope they win every game, but judging by the history of every NHL season, they won't. Now, would you rather have them lose in overtime or would you rather they lose in regulation? If the (obvious) answer is overtime, it's because an overtime loss is different than a regulation loss. One of them you get one point for finishing regulation tied. The other you get nothing because you finished regulation with less goals than the other team.

[FBI]

Blah. Was excited about 4+ pages to read in the GDT but it’s all about .500 semantics.
Anyways I’m jumping on the C4L train and will donate $20 to CP tonight if Bennett gets 2 points or more.

[Brick]

Quinn Hughes is questionable for tonight's game.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Brick

Quinn Hughes is questionable for tonight's game.

still searching for his jock

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Brick

Quinn Hughes is questionable for tonight's game.

I thought I heard on the Fan that Green confirmed he will play tonight and he just had a maintenance day?

[midniteowl]

GO FLAMES GO )))))

[shadowlord]

As the .500 debate rages on... let me just say this: So far this season, the Flames have never been behind on the scoreboard. I know it's only been two games.

Let's get a win tonight because we don't play again until after the 5-day break, and don't want to be playing catch-up in the standings behind the other teams.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Don't sleep on the Canucks. They have pride and will be playing very hard tonight. If the Flames match their intensity we will be in good shape.