[News] Oliver Kylington, Derek Ryan and Zac Rinaldo on waivers. UPD: all 3 clear

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I wonder if there was a GM gentleman’s agreement not to claim players with this weird situation

Clearly not, considering that four players were claimed today — including a defenseman in Luca Sbisa who I would suggest is far worse than Kylington.

[btimbit]

Not surprised all cleared, there was a looot of tweeners available

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I just want to point out fans of all other teams are surprised no one took Kylington too so it’s not like it’s a homer take to think he has value around the league.

I think this is actually more reflective of how dramatically different fan opinions can be from those of professionals. Maybe all 31 NHL GMs are wrong about this, but I doubt it.

I think the fact he needs to be kept on the main roster is what stopped a number of teams putting in a claim.

Mostly, yes, but I also don't think we should assume that is the only reason. Tbe fact of the matter is that Kylington still has holes in his game. Despite the nice collection of physical tools it seems that GMs and coaches are also not sold on his ability to maxi.ise these skills.

We don’t need to continue slagging him/everyone who was worried because we retained his rights this morning.

I for one was worried and am also elated he is still part of the organization.

Expose him any other time that doesn’t have the same circumstances attached and he gets claimed 100%.

You can rip on me for that take if you want but I believe it to be true.

No one deserves to be "slagged," but there were definitely overreactions on the basis of seemingly ignoring the circumstances. The calls for patience in this thread were pretty much all made on the basis of the circumstances that you have identified.

At the end of the day hundreds of NHL players pass through waivers every year with only a few ever getting claimed. It seemed like Kylington was not likely to be the exception to this.


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[theinfinitejar]

If I was a fan of a different team as they took Sbisa instead of Kylington I’d be furious.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

If I was a fan of a different team as they took Sbisa instead of Kylington I’d be furious.

If you're a fan of a different team it's more likely you don't even know who Kylington is, nor would you be clamoring about his counting stats.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

If I was a fan of a different team as they took Sbisa instead of Kylington I’d be furious.

Nashville was the different team. So if you're a Nashville fan and are furious that they took an experienced defenseman for a depth/7th/taxi squad role who's UFA at the end of the year over an RFA defenseman who should be playing games in the AHL instead of sitting on a taxi squad, then you're missing the point. Sbisa fills Nashville's need. Kylington doesn't.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

If I was a fan of a different team as they took Sbisa instead of Kylington I’d be furious.

Or more likely, you'd be indifferent, like the majority of every other fan base. That'd be like if we took some vet off another team instead of their 7th dman prospect that just recently signed a two-way, league minimum deal.

[Vinny01]

Friedman said in his 31 thoughts he was surprised no one took Kylington

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

If you're a fan of a different team it's more likely you don't even know who Kylington is, nor would you be clamoring about his counting stats.

You would be calling him Kyle-lington.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

If you're a fan of a different team it's more likely you don't even know who Kylington is, nor would you be clamoring about his counting stats.

But I know who Sbisa is and he is bad.

[Since1984]

What time does the roster have to be finalized by?

[sureLoss]

The one thing Sbisa has is experience and a better understanding of what he needs to do to be a NHLer.

Which is why Nashville took him to be their 7th or 8th d-man.

Yeah Kylington could and should be better than Sbisa but they are going for what they can reasonably expect instead of something that could be.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Since1984

What time does the roster have to be finalized by?

3:00MT I think

[Eric Vail]

Outside of this forum, Kylington is not rated very highly. No team made a waiver claim for him. The Flames paid assets to add two defensemen at the deadline so they wouldn't have to play Kylington in the playoffs.

Maybe he will get better, but it doesn't seem like the non-CP hockey world believes in his abilities.

[Bingo]

I'm glad Kylington is still Calgary property. If he "gets in" it would be great to be here and not somewhere else for free.

But I see the warts, and the concerns.

I like that Ryan cleared too as the team is better with him on it. I'd be fine losing him for the cap space and the options it would open up, but the roster is better with him on the fourth line than if you had Nordstrom.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by getbak

Assuming they start the season with a bare minimum of 20 players on the active roster and 6 on the taxi squad...

FORWARD

1. Tkachuk (7.00)
2. Gaudreau (6.75)
3. Monahan (6.375)
4. Backlund (5.35)
5. Lucic (5.25)
6. Lindholm (4.85)
7. Bennett (2.55)
8. Mangiapane (2.425)
9. Leivo (0.875)
10. Dube (0.778333)
11. Nordstrom (0.700)
12. Simon (0.700)

DEFENCE

1. Giordano (6.75)
2. Hanifin (4.95)
3. Andersson (4.55)
4. Tanev (4.50)
5. Valimaki (0.894166)
6. Nesterov (0.700)

GOAL

1. Markstrom (6.00)
2. Rittich (2.75)

TAXI

1. Domingue
2. Ryan (2.05 unburied)
3. Rinaldo
4. Ritchie
5. Kylington
6. Stone/Petrovic

Buyouts (Brouwer/Stone): 2.67



TOTAL: $79.417 million

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This would give the team just over $2 million in cap space to start the season. Much better than less than a quarter million.

I thought that the roster size was still 22-23 players that counts against the salary cap and 4-6 players for the taxi squad that does not.

[Matata]

No GM is going to claim a player unless they think they're giving them a roster spot for the whole season. If GMs start playing hot potato with AHL players that have NHL potential, you'd end up with unstable farm systems due to a revolving door of top end talent and a lot of potential that could be squandered due to inconsistent development.

[dino7c]

The fact that you have to put a claim on your NHL roster made this a safe bet

You guys really think Tre doesn't know how much interest either of these guys have around the league? If someone wanted Ryan he would have been gone a long time ago.

[djsFlames]

We won't have answers on Kylington unless he gets to play. They need to give him an opportunity to show whether or not he can cut it at this level. I just hope to god that when that first injury happens that it isn't Stone getting reps ahead of Mackey and Kylington. I hope the kids trade off every second night or something along those lines.

The one thing that bugs me most about how the Flames have operated in recent years is when players get shut down after that first look with the club and don't get that second chance to show their growth. Czarnik and Quine immediately come to mind (I know they werent Flames picks, but both played very well after being sent to Stockton and arguably earned further looks). Kalak as well, and there were many others.

Like others have said he's a project. So he's probably worth a few follow up looks, because he wasn't going to step in right away no matter what.

Backlund was also a project at one time, and patience and commitment to his development even though it took 3-4 partial seasons paid off for them huge. I'd like to see them exercise the same patience with some of these kids that they themselves picked to be projects because of their raw upside.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Who had been claimed? All I can think of is Juulsen.

Christian Djoos, too