[News] Oliver Kylington, Derek Ryan and Zac Rinaldo on waivers. UPD: all 3 clear

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by neo45

Keeping Kylington and his two way contract on the taxi squad can save the team over 700k real money in a tough economic year. That makes sense to me

The real concern here is Ryan not being in the lineup over lesser players. We just don’t have 12 forwards who are better. Nordstrom is very bad at everything except killing penalties, and it’s not like Ryan is a PK slouch

Ryan will be in the lineup. Probably rotated in and out, but he will play. But he will undoubtedly be on the taxi squad on off days, in order to save some cap space.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That's a nice surprise to wake up to. Not surprised that Ryan cleared, although even the possibility of him being claimed made me a bit antsy. But, with all the defensemen being claimed recently, I thought Kylington was definitely gone.

What? You said they were both gone and went on and on about it yesterday.

I'm surprised Kylington didn't get claimed as well, just because of his skating ability.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by blankall

Never scored 40....did have back to back 38 point seasons. Even in the Flames' dreadful offensive season last year, he was on pace for 34.

I will concede Ryan has improved the team's faceoff ability and likely provides league average PK skill, but notching 34 points is simply not worth his AAV when you consider many players around the league make that salary and can actually flirt with 20 goals, play meaningful PP minutes and not look out of place with skill players. What's his output this year after being passed over by so many in the Flames system? Maybe 25 points with spot duty on the second PK unit? Ward certainly doesn't seem to be high on him given his usage in the bubble and now demoting him to the taxi squad.

IMO the role he has played on the Flames should be going to the Flames better developing talent that need to take a regular shift to improve. The Flames have enough forwards who can kill penalties and win draws that you don't need to keep him around to justify his salary.

He surely would have just been claimed had the rest of the league viewed him as a serious value player on his current deal.

[dammage79]

I believe opening day rosters are announced today too. 12p.m PST?

[Manhattanboy]

Al part of the ........ process.

[SeanCharles]

I just want to point out fans of all other teams are surprised no one took Kylington too so it’s not like it’s a homer take to think he has value around the league.

I think the fact he needs to be kept on the main roster is what stopped a number of teams putting in a claim.

We don’t need to continue slagging him/everyone who was worried because we retained his rights this morning.

I for one was worried and am also elated he is still part of the organization.

Expose him any other time that doesn’t have the same circumstances attached and he gets claimed 100%.

You can rip on me for that take if you want but I believe it to be true.

[Toonage]

Hockeycentral at Noon (Anthony Stewart in particular) also seemed surprised Kylington wasn't claimed.
Friedman in the most recent 31 Thoughts today also expresses some surprise that Kylington wasn't claimed.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And obviously, you can't run with only 20 forever, but the schedule does give them a nice window to start.

They play one game in Wpg, then come home for 2 against Van, then 5 days off, then 2 more at home to Tor. Their 2nd road game isn't until the 28th in Mtl. So they can run with a 20, or 21 man roster throughout that, and create some wiggle room for themselves.

The taxi squad can practice and travel with the team and players can be activated up until 5:00pm ET any day, so it's basically like having a 26 man roster.

Every player that cleared waivers today can spend up to 30 days or 10 games played in the NHL before requiring waivers again. Ryan could play every game of the season and not require waivers again until February 5. If he played 2 out of every 3 games, it would be February 16. That's over 25% of the season.

[devo22]

glad Kylington and Ryan went unclaimed. Not surprised in Ryans case because of the contract, but like others, I was worried Kylington would be gone. With our depth in mind, I'm really happy they're both staying.

[dammage79]

Yeah. I like Kylington a lot. But I also think he should be traded now. I just don't see a future for him here in CGY with Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin and locking down top 4 spots for the extended future. Then you have more traditional type D men in Nesterov and Mackey being able to do other aspects of hockey better than Oliver, the time is likely now he should be dealt.


Theres just no room and won't be for a very long time.

Then there's Kinvall doing the things he is doing in Europe. We might have a player coming in next year who can do Kylington things better than him.

I hate saying it as a long time supporter of Kylington, but his future isn't in CGY.

[tvp2003]

There's a rumor that Benning was anxiously trying to claim someone named "Klingtown", but nobody in the organization could understand what the heck he was saying and the NHL just hung up on him because no such player was on waivers yesterday.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah. I like Kylington a lot. But I also think he should be traded now. I just don't see a future for him here in CGY with Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin and locking down top 4 spots for the extended future. Then you have more traditional type D men in Nesterov and Mackey being able to do other aspects of hockey better than Oliver, the time is likely now he should be dealt.


Theres just no room and won't be for a very long time.

Then there's Kinvall doing the things he is doing in Europe. We might have a player coming in next year who can do Kylington things better than him.

I hate saying it as a long time supporter of Kylington, but his future isn't in CGY.

I agree. I read somewhere, I think it was earlier in this thread, about the potential of Kylington going to Seattle. This would be a good move by the Flames if they could help that along. With our depth on defence I think that the best spot to “lose” a player from. With that said, we likely have to send a draft pick to Seattle to make that happen (to keep them from selecting a different player, probably a forward).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I don’t think it’s a matter of what Kylington is, he’s a 7th dman. It’s a matter of what the potential he has to become. He’s a terrific skater and can see the ice very well, he just needs to put it together at the NHL level

I disagree that he can see the ice well. This is the problem from my standpoint - he doesn't think or see the game at an NHL level.

He has a single attribute that is perhaps elite - his skating.

But there are so many other gaps that don't seem to be improving - that's simply not enough.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That's a nice surprise to wake up to. Not surprised that Ryan cleared, although even the possibility of him being claimed made me a bit antsy. But, with all the defensemen being claimed recently, I thought Kylington was definitely gone.

Who had been claimed? All I can think of is Juulsen.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Happy to see Kylington stay in the fold. I think he still has some up side.

Unless the plan is to have a regular rotation on taxi squad players, I think it would be better to send him to Stockton until they want to call him up. At his age, he should be playing games to get better.

Stockton doesn't start their season for a few weeks yet so he won't officially be going to Stockton for a bit yet. The only way he is paper sent to the AHL beforehand is if they want someone else on the taxi squad.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah. I like Kylington a lot. But I also think he should be traded now. I just don't see a future for him here in CGY with Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin and locking down top 4 spots for the extended future. Then you have more traditional type D men in Nesterov and Mackey being able to do other aspects of hockey better than Oliver, the time is likely now he should be dealt.


Theres just no room and won't be for a very long time.

Then there's Kinvall doing the things he is doing in Europe. We might have a player coming in next year who can do Kylington things better than him.

I hate saying it as a long time supporter of Kylington, but his future isn't in CGY.

Someone mentioned it a few pages back this point but they should try him at fwd. Maybe he cant play defence and maybe he never will but with his speed and wrister he could help with the transition game on the rush.

[SuperMatt18]

Legitimately surprised that Kylington cleared waivers.

I'd have put a claim in on him before claiming Juulsen or Sbisa.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah. I like Kylington a lot. But I also think he should be traded now. I just don't see a future for him here in CGY with Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin and locking down top 4 spots for the extended future. Then you have more traditional type D men in Nesterov and Mackey being able to do other aspects of hockey better than Oliver, the time is likely now he should be dealt.


Theres just no room and won't be for a very long time.

Then there's Kinvall doing the things he is doing in Europe. We might have a player coming in next year who can do Kylington things better than him.

I hate saying it as a long time supporter of Kylington, but his future isn't in CGY.

No need whatsoever to trade him.

His future may or may not be in CGY, but things can change quickly. The Flames own his rights and have the luxury of waiting to see how he develops. No need to trade now at his current value.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by devo22

glad Kylington and Ryan went unclaimed. Not surprised in Ryans case because of the contract, but like others, I was worried Kylington would be gone. With our depth in mind, I'm really happy they're both staying.

For now.....

[Jason14h]

I wonder if there was a GM gentleman’s agreement not to claim players with this weird situation