[News] Oliver Kylington, Derek Ryan and Zac Rinaldo on waivers. UPD: all 3 clear - Page 7 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 01-11-2021, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Voodooman

I swear though, if they re-sign Stone yet again off the PTO, while simultaneously still paying and wasting cap space on buyout money, Tre should have to sit through a 4 hour conference call with CP members, and answer all our idiotic questions and trade theories.

There has to be some form of humiliation for doing something that stupid twice.

You obviously don't understand the cap/taxi squad

Stone would have nothing to do with players waived as he can go to the taxi squad and not count against the cap. What is the risk exactly?

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:27 AM

Did some quick and dirty math. The season is about 116 days (assuming it ends May 8th, but I am not sure on that).

Ryan on the taxi squad saves roughly $2.1M. That means about $18K/day. So that first 11days would save the team about $200K in cap space, which is quite a bit of wiggle room, compared to the current situation.

Moneyhands23 · 01-11-2021, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by David Struch

Ryan was immediately demoted when Peters left, I thought he would've made the most sense to move up when Tkachuk went down but Ward doesn't value him for whatever reason.

Adam Ruzicka and Glenn Gawdin will getting in some games this season as they attempt to earn a centre position with the Flames then we'll have Connor Zary and Mathias Emilio Pettersen eventually trying to make the line-up at centre position too.

Ruzicka could really open some eyes and add some elements to really make the bottom 6 a bitch to play against. I love the player and hope he exceeds expectations and reaches his potential.

David Struch · 01-11-2021, 11:27 AM

The Canucks (supposedly) wanted Oliver Kylington for Alexander Edler early last year but the deal (apparently) fell through because of Edler.

Ashasx · 01-11-2021, 11:27 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1348681257773764608

getbak · 01-11-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s quite possible this is all just for cap flexibility too.

It is 100% all about cap flexibility.

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:28 AM

This has NOTHING to do with Stone, come on people.

Ashasx · 01-11-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

This makes no sense. Why release a PTO before you have to?

huh? what does that have to do with anything? Why waive Kylington before you have to? He's barely been at camp.

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1348681257773764608

The fact that Krug blossomed into a player does not mean that Kylington will blossom into a player.

More to the current situation, putting Kylington on waivers does NOT mean they have given up on him.

SeanCharles · 01-11-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

huh? what does that have to do with anything? Why waive Kylington before you have to? He's barely been at camp.

They did it now in hopes with the 150 players on waivers he will sneak through.

I think they will be sorely mistaken.

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

huh? what does that have to do with anything? Why waive Kylington before you have to? He's barely been at camp.

It was you that was whining about Stone. GioforPM was addressing that.

As for putting him on waivers now, this is precisely the time to do it.

Ashasx · 01-11-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The fact that Krug blossomed into a player does not mean that Kylington will blossom into a player.

More to the current situation, putting Kylington on waivers does NOT mean they have given up on him.

It doesn't mean they are giving up on him, but they give other teams the opportunity to take him. It's as simple as that.

And yes, because Krug became a good player does not mean Kylington will, but it's just a tweet showing that his development hasn't been as poor as some make it out to be.

Vox · 01-11-2021, 11:33 AM

Question - would a player claimed off waivers from a Canadian team, by a US team, not have to quarantine before they can join the new team? And vice versa. If so, would this not reduce the risk of Flames players being claimed?

Bingo · 01-11-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

huh? what does that have to do with anything? Why waive Kylington before you have to? He's barely been at camp.

The two players aren't connected in this situation at all.

It's waiver day, they have to make decisions on how many bodies on the opening roster, and the final cuts.

Stone isn't signed and not a variable in this. If he was signed, and not put on waivers you might have more of a point.

Wood · 01-11-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

huh? what does that have to do with anything? Why waive Kylington before you have to? He's barely been at camp.

Today's the last day to be cap compliant. Have you noticed the insane waiver wire?

Stone on a PTO has nothing to do with Kylington being waived

*IF* Stone even gets a contract he'll also be waived and placed on the taxi squad, and would 100% be behind Kylington on the depth chart

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

It doesn't mean they are giving up on him, but they give other teams the opportunity to take him. It's as simple as that.

And yes, because Krug became a good player does not mean Kylington will, but it's just a tweet showing that his development hasn't been as poor as some make it out to be.

It doesn't show that at all. His development has in fact been pretty flat, and the numbers show that. Krug exploded after year 3. That is all the graphic shows. It does not show that Kylington has been better than anyone is claiming.

ComixZone · 01-11-2021, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure why Edmonton, Detroit or Ottawa wouldn't claim Kylington.

I imagine Ryan makes it through waivers, but will be surprised to see Kylington go unclaimed.

flamesrule_kipper34 · 01-11-2021, 11:37 AM

I have 0 issues with the Ryan waiver.

I do not like the Kylington one. This smells to me more like Byron vs. Kulak.

We were trying to be sneaky with Byron and it backfired, I agree with people that Kylington has been pedestrian thus far but I still see a lot of potential and if we lose him for nothing that's going to be a huge blow.

Ashasx · 01-11-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It doesn't show that at all. His development has in fact been pretty flat, and the numbers show that. Krug exploded after year 3. That is all the graphic shows. It does not show that Kylington has been better than anyone is claiming.

besides the recent spike on the most recent season, ok

Enoch Root · 01-11-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vox

Question - would a player claimed off waivers from a Canadian team, by a US team, not have to quarantine before they can join the new team? And vice versa. If so, would this not reduce the risk of Flames players being claimed?

Yes, they would have cross-border quarantine issues.

Will it deter anyone? Maybe in some cases. But let's say Detroit were looking at Kylington as a long-term solution - the quarantine would not deter their decision at all.

It might impact Ryan a little more. If you claim him, his $3.125M is on your cap, even while he is in quarantine.