DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You may want to save yourself some trouble. She was aggressively moving forward on armed police in a restricted area of the US Capitol by busting through multiple barricades, doorways and windows. Then she got shot. On what planet would the cop be in the wrong to shoot her? Your perspective that there is some grey here is stupefying. Like, what are you going to figure out in the law to get more clarity here? Basically, are you fataing serious?

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

Not that I wish harm on anyone but as far as I'm concerned she was committing a terrorist act. Cop kinda does get a bit of a pass from me here, as much as I hate to say it.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

how do the police know she, or any of the mob screaming 'burn it down' behind her were unarmed? she was trying to climb through a barricaded door (barricaded by desks bookshelves and anything else the secret service or cops could find in order to protect the senators and staff hiding in the office behind) followed by a baying mob screaming for blood, I cannot think of a more justified use of force

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The CNN white house correspondents were saying the 25th needs support of both houses last night.

That's not what this says. [shrug]

https://www.businessinsider.com/25th...-office-2017-3

Edit: MarchHare's answer adds more clarity to this, yeah. In practical terms, they don't need the support of the houses, they just need to run out of the clock on a vote.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

Storming a building with a mob and climbing through a window you just busted to gain access into a more-secure section of the Capitol building in opposition to armed guards with an unruly mob that has already breached multiple layers of security isn't an immediate threat? lol, wow guy.

I see this as a mercy killing. First, it put this miserable MAGA zombie out of her misery, but it also completely deflated the others and took the wind out of their sails and stopped their momentum, thus sparing the rest of them the same fate had they breached that wall, too.

Like seriously, what is the point of security and guns if they don't use them to defend the building and people they are paid to defend?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

Duuude.

[Ozy_Flame]

That's not what a mercy killing means. I think you're confusing it with some vein of martyrdom.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

A Muslim wearing a backpack is shot 30 times before they make it to the window let alone break it and start climbing through. But I guess white people can't be terrorists, as apparent in Nashville.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Not that I wish harm on anyone but as far as I'm concerned she was committing a terrorist act. Cop kinda does get a bit of a pass from me here, as much as I hate to say it.

It makes me sick seeing the police taking selfies with these dolts, and each and everyone one of them needs to be arrested. Overall the response was pathetically weak but I still think it’s possible that one of them crossed a line.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

A Muslim wearing a backpack is shot 30 times before they make it to the window let alone break it and start climbing through. But I guess white people can't be terrorists, as apparent in Nashville.

But, I mean, two wrongs don't make a right.

The Muslim should not be shot. This woman should not have been shot.

No one who is not in the act of harming another person should ever consider being shot.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

It makes me sick seeing the police taking selfies with these dolts, and each and everyone one of them needs to be arrested. Overall the response was pathetically weak but I still think it’s possible that one of them crossed a line.

You’re right, instead each cop should have taken on 30 guys each...

Everything to do with the planning needs to be ridiculed and people need to be held accountable. But once that started, they were overrun.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Already covered.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

That's not what this says. [shrug]

https://www.businessinsider.com/25th...-office-2017-3

Edit: MarchHare's answer adds more clarity to this, yeah. In practical terms, they don't need the support of the houses, they just need to run out of the clock on a vote.

That brings the question of whether both houses would run out the clock. How long is Mitch still in charge? I'm not sure which direction he'd take at this point though.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

It makes me sick seeing the police taking selfies with these dolts, and each and everyone one of them needs to be arrested. Overall the response was pathetically weak but I still think it’s possible that one of them crossed a line.

But what a great way to gather photographic evidence to arrest these idiots later.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

She was unarmed. She was climbing through a window. She was not an immediate threat. Every other police shooting gets scrutinized here. Why not this one?

If I were to find a building full of MPs, gather up a few hundred of my friends, then smash and attempt to jump through a window, I expect I would be shot.

No reasonable person could expect anything other than state violence against her with those actions. I generally think it's a miracle there was only 1.

She was part of a mob that was carrying weapons, planting bombs, destroying property, compromising government information, threatening officials, and claiming a desire to overthrow the worlds most militarized government.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You’re right, instead each cop should have taken on 30 guys each...

Everything to do with the planning needs to be ridiculed and people need to be held accountable. But once that started, they were overrun.

The selfies sure perpetuate the narrative that they are sympathetic or even supporting the rioters.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

The Muslim should not be shot.

What? A person violently breaking in to one of the most important places where nearly all of the lawmakers are should be shot. Especially when there was bombs found and this person is wearing a backpack. This isn't a peaceful protest against war at a school, this was a violent "revolution" with the sole purpose to get to the VP. Anyone should have been shot, and there would have been a lot more deaths if they weren't just a bunch of white people.

If she broke in and blew herself up and you knew no one stopped her, you would be decrying all of the security - rightfully.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The selfies sure perpetuates the narrative that they are sympathetic or even supporting the rioters.

Only if people keep perpetuating this absolutely ridiculous “they let them in” narrative.

“President deliberately neuters security preparedness”, being the more likely scenario here, is all we need to talk about. Because he deliberately made this happen.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

But, I mean, two wrongs don't make a right.

The Muslim should not be shot. This woman should not have been shot.

No one who is not in the act of harming another person should ever consider being shot.

How would you expect the capitol police to know she wasn't armed? Who's to say what would happen once she breached that barrier? She was a threat, approaching them. She had already broken countless laws. Her goal was nothing short of overthrowing the government. Actions have consequences. I just can't imagine a situation more justified in the use of lethal force than a hostile mob overthrowing a legitimate government.

[btimbit]

Frankly, it's amazing and impressive more people weren't shot.