DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[Ped]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Violence leads to escalation of violence. It's always been this way. That's why a functioning society agrees to give the government (ie the police), a monopoly on violence.

As far as I can tell, all Americans seem to share one trait: they all think their problems are exclusively the fault of someone else.

And again your partially right. That's twice in a row. Kind of on a roll.


For example, violence against minorities and a double-standard in how the police deal with people, as evidenced you know, today, leads to an escalation in violence when the oppressed minority no longer want to accept that violence being perpetrated against them. A functioning society agrees to give the police that power, but when the people in power abuse that, then violent protests are inevitable.


Which is exactly the same thing as a bunch of people storming a government building and looking to commit violence because they can't accept the results of a peaceful democratic process.


But you already know that. It just doesn't fit your narrative. Your posts are disgusting.

[flylock shox]

Amazed they're back at it in the Senate tonight. I guess you can sweep a building pretty quick when the right number of cops finally show up.



They had Republican Markwayne (pickanameforChrissakes) Mullin on ABC earlier, condemning the actions of the mob, but taking no responsibility, and suggesting he'll press on with the objections to certifying Biden's win.



These people are such slime.

[Flashpoint]

Right now a bunch of those Magas are out drinking and laughing about what a great day it was, and how they "owned the swamp" and walked away scott free.

And they don't know that they were in one of the most heavily surveilled places on earth, and they will very shortly be going to jail.

Only when they are in front of a judge, will it dawn on them that they've been mislead. Wish I could see their faces when it happens.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Ped

And again your partially right. That's twice in a row. Kind of on a roll.


For example, violence against minorities and a double-standard in how the police deal with people, as evidenced you know, today, leads to an escalation in violence when the oppressed minority no longer want to accept that violence being perpetrated against them. A functioning society agrees to give the police that power, but when the people in power abuse that, then violent protests are inevitable.


Which is exactly the same thing as a bunch of people storming a government building and looking to commit violence because they can't accept the results of a peaceful democratic process.


But you already know that. It just doesn't fit your narrative. Your posts are disgusting.

If you are going to step outside of the institutions available to attain your goals, and also use violence to attain your goals, then unintended consequences are an inevitable result. This is why more has been accomplished through a peaceful, but perhaps slow, grind towards justice.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Pence just spoke from the Senate floor. McConnell just called him Mr President. Whoa.

Was he singing happy birthday and popping out of a cake?

[#-3]

where does one find Trumps statement from this afternoon?

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh no. Its contagious....whats it's R0??

Too Fricking high. I suggest we quarantine.

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[Ped]

Originally Posted by #-3

where does one find Trumps statement from this afternoon?

Got deleted.


He told everyone to go home, but that he loved them and they were special, and he won the election in a landside, and it was stolen from them, and blah blah blah.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Honest question, someone committing terrorism and/or vandalizing and entering a government building like today would be allowed to leave after a couple hours? I really don't know, but I'd like to think they'd be held indefinitely. Even Trump said anyone doing something like what happened to the Capitol today would be a 10 year jail sentence.

There's a weird fine line in here that puts these people somewhere between terrorism and simple trespass. Especially as we saw, these people were willing to peacefully leave. Did the individual break into the building or did the individual just walk through an open door? Did they attack an officer or were the no police even around? Did they fight to stay or did they leave once told to?

I wouldn't hold my breath on someone simply walking into a building and leaving when specifically told to not be allowed to post bail if it even got that far.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I do understand your points, but to me today was just a lot different. These people weren't looting a Starbucks or throwing bricks through a window at McDonald's this was next level. To me letting them walk out is just kinda insane.

Yes it is different, but how much weight do you put on getting everyone home safely? You lock those doors and start confronting each individual when you're out numbered by 10, and you're just going to get more violence, more people storming back in. There's no "if you don't arrest me in 15 minutes I'm innocent" rule, you got each one of their faces (since they don't wear masks...), you can charge them for the crimes that they did whether or not you arrested them at the time.

Yes, some will get home without being identified, but I mean is it worth risking more lives and officers? Also keep in mind they did find actual bombs. Locking people in and fighting with them if they are willing to walk away peacefully is last priority here, there's people with guns and bombs that you need to worry about right now.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by #-3

where does one find Trumps statement from this afternoon?

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & peace. Remember this day forever!"

Sacred? Landslide victory? Some scary ish in there...

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by #-3

where does one find Trumps statement from this afternoon?

One of the tweets called Mike Pence a coward.
Another praised the rioters.
A third was a video where Trump claimed the Presidential election was a fraud.

[#-3]

Ya, I might just be a sucker for punishment.

But part of me needs to see the utter lack of remorse and self-reflection to comprehend that someone can truly hold those thoughts in their head.

[SportsJunky]

I haven't been able to track them down.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by #-3

Ya, I might just be a sucker for punishment.

But part of me needs to see the utter lack of remorse and self-reflection to comprehend that someone can truly hold those thoughts in their head.

Oh you’ll see them. Historic ####.

But yeah, contents: 99% “rigged, stolen, we won in a landslide”, 1% “go home...heroes”

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ped

Some riots aren't right - but they are necessary to change injustice.

There's no evidence that the riots this summer (as opposed to the protests) have led to any good at all for anyone.

Originally Posted by Ped

For example, violence against minorities and a double-standard in how the police deal with people, as evidenced you know, today, leads to an escalation in violence when the oppressed minority no longer want to accept that violence being perpetrated against them.

The riots in Portland, Seattle, and elsewhere looked pretty white to me.

[cal_guy]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346993660718698496

If this goes through and Congress has adjourn then Trump has no recourse as Congress will have 21 days to deliberate over his "temporary" removal.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Right now a bunch of those Magas are out drinking and laughing about what a great day it was, and how they "owned the swamp" and walked away scott free.

And they don't know that they were in one of the most heavily surveilled places on earth, and they will very shortly be going to jail.

Only when they are in front of a judge, will it dawn on them that they've been mislead. Wish I could see their faces when it happens.

I wish you were right but I doubt that will happen

[FlamesAddiction]

Some of the callers on C-Span are just ridiculous.

One lady, who sounded like she was whacked out on oxies, was saying that if they just allowed an audit of the election results, everyone would be happy. If the Democrats have nothing to hide, they would allow it.

After multiple re-counts, every state certifying the results, and over 60 judges dismissed claims, an audit isn't going to fix anything. Trump will claim the audit was fixed and Trumpists will believe him. They won't be happy until they get the result they want, so why would the Dems keep doing this? It would only be a matter of time until someone fixes an audit or recount.

The lady was asked why 60 judges dismissed claims because there was no evidence. She said it's because they are scared of the Democrats and Antifa. Just completely brainwashed.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346993660718698496

If this goes through and Congress has adjourn then Trump has no recourse as Congress will have 21 days to deliberate over his "temporary" removal.

Biden may need to get some “47” hats made up.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Dion!!!!!!! They already did that, it was huge news!

He's still in office!!! A lot of good that did!

Do it right this time and get him out!