2020 NFL Season Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Is Tua good enough to be your QB? Or should they draft someone at 3? I think they should draft.

That's a good question. Hard to say after year one but one thing that jumps out to me is that his arm strength looks pretty lacking to me and he never really flashed like some other young QB's. He doesn't look lost like Darnold but their defense basically held them in games that he started for them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Odds are the Jets will take Fields at 2 or trade to someone who will take Fields at 2. After that I'm not sure there's anyone who can be better than Tua. I mean I don't even know if you can blame them for passing on Herbert, he looked the far likelier bust candidate. Tua was always the high floor, low ceiling guy. But that one is gonna hurt big time if Tua maxes out as the Hawaiian Teddy Bridgewater

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Odds are the Jets will take Fields at 2 or trade to someone who will take Fields at 2. After that I'm not sure there's anyone who can be better than Tua. I mean I don't even know if you can blame them for passing on Herbert, he looked the far likelier bust candidate. Tua was always the high floor, low ceiling guy. But that one is gonna hurt big time if Tua maxes out as the Hawaiian Teddy Bridgewater

I have to admit I laughed a little. I certainly see the similarities though.

[Erick Estrada]

The Bengals seem like a good gig for a coach that just wants to keep a job without having to put up results. I realize Taylor hasn't been afforded a full deck but 6-25-1 doesn't scream to me that they are building something. You could tell after year one that Flores looked like a guy that was building something but Taylor looks like the generic bad/mediocre NFL head coach. I assume he has at least a 3rd year on his deal which is why they probably are keeping him on given how cheap the organization is.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Odds are the Jets will take Fields at 2 or trade to someone who will take Fields at 2. After that I'm not sure there's anyone who can be better than Tua. I mean I don't even know if you can blame them for passing on Herbert, he looked the far likelier bust candidate. Tua was always the high floor, low ceiling guy. But that one is gonna hurt big time if Tua maxes out as the Hawaiian Teddy Bridgewater

Do you remember Washington State QB Samoa Samoa?

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[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well I didn't watch last night because why subject yourself to it if you don't have to? But I guess I forgot the possibility that Pederson would go DGAF and straight up tank the game. But how could he #### that up so bad? Start Sudfeld and tank from the start and whatever, but to let your guys think you were actually trying to win and then going tank midgame? Yeah his guys aren't gonna like that. Right move strategically (although given how crap the Eagles have drafted recently where they pick is almost irrelevant), but executed in the worst possible way. Ironically the instructions to tank came from upstairs, and Pederson may now have to pay the price for how it was executed.

Yeah, even if it was planned, to let Hurts play the whole game, then just suddenly yanking him in the 4th quarter of a one score game vs a division rival playing for their lives was just a bad look. Why not do it at halftime then, so it's an even split, instead of randomly making the move in crunch time? Especially when Eagles seemed to be revelling in the spoiler role to that point, by being ultra aggressive earlier on (going for it on 4th down deep in Washington territory when a FG ties the game).

I liked seeing how upset Alex Singleton was on 3rd & 1, after an Eagle jumped offside on a hard count late in the game. He really seems to be taking on more of a leadership role there, been great to see his progression down south in such a short time.

And randomly looking elsewhere, I feel for the Dolphins. Would've snapped a 4 year post-season drought, and only their 2nd appearance since 2008. They get a 10 win season in a year where they've expanded the playoffs...but it's still not enough. Meanwhile a 7-9 team is getting in. That's got to sting for Miami.

[devo22]

Chargers have fired Anthony Lynn.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Is Tua good enough to be your QB? Or should they draft someone at 3? I think they should draft.

In my opinion Miami should keep the QB core as it is for next season and build up the other pieces next year. Give Tua a slightly longer leash and have Fitz provide further coaching and mentoring as well as stepping in if/when Tua really struggles. If Tua shows himself as a bust then you move on with the 2022 draft.

[GirlySports]

I think if Philly makes that 4th down they might keep everyone in. Optics look even worse to tank with the lead.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by devo22

Chargers have fired Anthony Lynn.

Surprises me a little bit.

Then again in the NFL its always the coaches that are the scapegoats...and often it is. Lots of times it isnt however.....this feels like one of those.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Surprises me a little bit.

Then again in the NFL its always the coaches that are the scapegoats...and often it is. Lots of times it isnt however.....this feels like one of those.

I think it is the right call. They've won the last 4 games, but those were against pretty bad teams and I felt coaching held them back all season. They are a talented group and can build around Herbert, I think they can be really good if coached right.

[ResAlien]

Fans love to get dazzled by late season win runs by bad teams. It’s like the Taylor Hall point explosion post elimination. Once the real pressure is off your production means nada. Lynn was a bad coach who was good enough to lose a lot and his game management made Reid look like a genius.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Anyone watch the Cards game yesterday? Boomer Esiasson with some harsh comments about the CFL, basically calling it a total joke and bush league. He then said he loved the AAF and it was a great league. I couldn't believe how hard he was on Streveler. Yes Strev was terrible but he was playing the best defence in the NFL and came in as a last second back up with limited reps and then was horribly misused by the clueless Cards O-coordinator.

He got some heat for it on twitter, including a few tweets from CFLers. To make it even more obvious was that he spent a ton of time talking about what a hero the Rams QB was.

Not to mention the fact Boomer was all around awful as a colour guy. But it seemed to me he had a weird bias against the CFL/Streveler.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Reminder that even ignoring his severe coaching flaws, Anthony Lynn decided after seeing both of them that Tyrod Taylor gave his team a better chance to win than Justin Herbert, in a season he desperately needed results no less. He might not have made it to midseason if Tyrod didn't get medically malpracticed.

[KelVarnsen]

Boomer Esiasson has always been and always will be an idiot.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Boomer Esiasson has always been and always will be an idiot.

Hell of a play action though. Sold it hard

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by devo22

I think it is the right call. They've won the last 4 games, but those were against pretty bad teams and I felt coaching held them back all season. They are a talented group and can build around Herbert, I think they can be really good if coached right.

Raw rookie at QB who was never expected to be the starter and a rash of key injuries. I think it was 8 starters on injured reserve.

Still went 7-9 and 7 of those losses by one score. They are close to being very good.

I agree the have a lot of pieces to work with...just need some patience to get it all gelling.

Not sure a new OC and scheme are the way to get Herbert to improve but i guess its a possibility.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think my favorite part of Boomer was how he went totally kid gloves on the Rams QB with his mistakes, but went all in after the CFL QB. I think after yesterday Romo at $17 million a year looks like an underpayment.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Reminder that even ignoring his severe coaching flaws, Anthony Lynn decided after seeing both of them that Tyrod Taylor gave his team a better chance to win than Justin Herbert, in a season he desperately needed results no less. He might not have made it to midseason if Tyrod didn't get medically malpracticed.

Reminder that there were zero pre season games to evaluate QB's in real situations

Name me a coach that would start a rookie over a familiar vet who was with the club the previous season and knows the system....especially when (as you say).....he was needing results.

I mean....no one was questioning that decision when it was made.

Not some big defender of Lynn here and this may turn into a good move, time will tell, but i think he is a great coach and some more time with this group was warranted just based on the way they looked this year.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Lynn was a catastrophically bad in game coach, one of the very worst I've ever seen. I mean you know it's bad when you let Troy Aikman get through an entire diatribe about how you should be calling a timeout to preserve time, and then call timeout just as he finishes. Maybe he's a great coach with bad luck, maybe no one can succeed with a franchise that appears as cursed as the Chargers appear, or maybe he's had three mediocre seasons squeezed into one very good one. Maybe his ceiling is the poor man's Marvin Lewis, which of course is not exactly a ringing endorsement. He might get another look eventually, but his MO is as a pretty poor in game coach.

The late season out of contention rally, more commonly knows as "Falconing", has got to be the worst kind of fools gold. Hell the goddamn Jets went 6-2 in the second half of 2019, and we all saw how that ended. The Falcons improved under Raheem Morris, but he's not the kind of coach the Falcons need to rebuild what will likely be a nuked roster. As ResAlien said it's a lot easier to look good when the pressure is off. For Lynn when the pressure was on he was consistently below replacement level.