Hardaway hates gays...

[mrdeeds]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Yup. He certainly can say and think whatever he wants... he just better be ready for the **** storm that'll come with saying garbage like that.

Yeah. He deserves every bit of scrutiny he gets...

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't want to pick on you but I would say "ALL gay people are pretty harmless and wouldn't try anything in the locker room".

You can never make a blanket statement like that that covers everyone. Look at Graham James for example.

If you there was a female hockey player I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be hitting on the men non-stop,

But what about a male hockey player on a women's team? Is it possible that he could hit on them on a regular basis?

and there has to be a certain level of professionalism on a professional sports team, how is it any different than having women from the media in the room?

Are male reporters allowed inside the locker rooms of female athletes?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

You can never make a blanket statement like that that covers everyone. Look at Graham James for example.

James is a pedophile...there is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Most pedophiles would say that they are straight -- it is the age of the child that is more attractive than the gender of the child.

But what about a male hockey player on a women's team? Is it possible that he could hit on them on a regular basis?

With regards to your second question, what should we do? Create a men's locker room, women's locker room and gay locker room??? Or should we ban all gays from playing sports or should they be forced to dress with women?

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

James is a pedophile...there is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Most pedophiles would say that they are straight -- it is the age of the child that is more attractive than the gender of the child.



With regards to your second question, what should we do? Create a men's locker room, women's locker room and gay locker room??? Or should we ban all gays from playing sports or should they be forced to dress with women?

You bring up an excellent point. Women and men are separated in change rooms for myriad of reasons... one prevalent reason is that women feel uncomfortable being viewed in a state of undress by lustful eyes. Since we acknowledge homosexuality, should we not acknowledge that some men might be looking at other men with lustful eyes. (Don't use that, "but gay people might not find the guy attractive"... I might not find every woman in the change room attractive, but I bet I'd find a couple I'd enjoy sneaking a peek at).

The answer is very unclear, and rife with controversy. Having a "gay" dressing room would solve the issue, except, who'd want to be seen going in or out if they aren't "out"? Banning gays is flat out wrong. Perhaps its time we have just one change room? LOL I can imagine the bedlam with that... Maybe we should simply install "changing stalls" and do away with group showers and clothing-optional steam rooms? There's no obvious solution, but it is a problem.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I sincerely hope that you didn't think I was being serious. I was trying to point out the absurdity in GreenTeaFrapps argument.

Gay men (like me BTW) have self-control in situations like locker rooms. A closeted gay man has to be even more careful or their secret will be revealed.

Segregating openly gay men in separate locker rooms will push gay men deeper into the closet.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

James is a pedophile...there is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Most pedophiles would say that they are straight -- it is the age of the child that is more attractive than the gender of the child.

There is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Not all gays are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are gay but you can be a gay pedophile like James is.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I sincerely hope that you didn't think I was being serious. I was trying to point out the absurdity in GreenTeaFrapps argument.

It wasn't an argument. It was a couple of questions. To call them absurd is idiotic.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I sincerely hope that you didn't think I was being serious. I was trying to point out the absurdity in GreenTeaFrapps argument.

Gay men (like me BTW) have self-control in situations like locker rooms. A closeted gay man has to be even more careful or their secret will be revealed.

Segregating openly gay men in separate locker rooms will push gay men deeper into the closet.

I think it is a serious thing. I agree that separate locker rooms is most likely a bad idea, however you have to acknowledge that like with women and men, men might feel uncomfortable with the knowledge that they might be in a compromising position with someone who might be attracted to them. Guys are pretty casual in the locker room, but they might have to consider doing away with group showers and what not. People have the right to be comfortable... all people, gay or straight, so a fair solution should be sought.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I agree that everybody has a right to feel comfortable -- if a team would like to build separate showers for those who would prefer to shower alone that is great. Personally, I don't like communal showers and would prefer showering alone. However, it shouldn't be done out of fear that gay players will fantasize about their teammates.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He just apologized and said that he shouldn't have said anything at all. But obviously he still feels that way.

Actually he didn't aplogize or retract anything for that matter. He just said "I am sorry if anyone was offended. And it was a long weekend." That seems to be the typical response from celebrities/athletes, the nonapology-apology. They aren't sorry for the remarks, but sorry someone took offense to it.

It's like when someone starts a sentence with, "I don't mean to offend you..." followed by something offensive. Is really quite the copout, as was his apology.

[worth]

Well he obviously means what he said, so a real apology would just be a farce anyway. I don't think he should apologize for what he said, he can believe whatever he wants, although he should apologize for the way he said it and overall, it wasn't appropriate. but if he believes it, he shouldn't apologize for that.

[burn_baby_burn]

What I don't like about this is the double standard. Michael Richards uses ethnic slurs in public addressing a black man and he is seen as the devil. Which he should be. But a black man comes out and says straight up that he hates gay people. I havn't seen the media back lash yet. I don't see the differance between what Richards said and what Hardaway said. They are both hatefull and ignorant.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

What I don't like about this is the double standard. Michael Richards uses ethnic slurs in public addressing a black man and he is seen as the devil. Which he should be. But a black man comes out and says straight up that he hates gay people. I havn't seen the media back lash yet. I don't see the differance between what Richards said and what Hardaway said. They are both hatefull and ignorant.

Shows you how far the black movement has gone and how much farther the gay movement has to go.

I believe in the media it still stems from the argument that you cannot choose to be black but can choose to be gay.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Shows you how far the black movement has gone and how much farther the gay movement has to go.

I believe in the media it still stems from the argument that you cannot choose to be black but can choose to be gay.

On semi-related note, I was reading a review of Eddie Murphy's "Delirious" (newly released version of it).

The reviewer noted how things HAVE changed to a degree, because when you are confronted with Murphy's liberal use of a certain derogatory term to describe gay people, as well as his AIDS/Gay People bit - it is no longer funny in the least, still shocking, but not in a good way.

Another example someone brought the other day to me was when Al Iafrate was quoted as saying "Empty net goals are for homos."

Imagine the outrage now if he said that?

But yeah still a long way to go.

[burn_baby_burn]

The thing that stands out the most to me about Hardaways comments are his lack of intelligence. Even if those were his thoughts and he was being honest. One would think that he would be smart enough to keep those comments to himself or at least not say them to the media. Now if Mike Tyson says something like this nobody raises an eyebrow because eveyone assumes he is just an animal. I mean, how many people hate their boss. But do you go up to the intercom at work and say that he is a selfish moron?

Maybe comments like Hardaways prove that a large number of people still feel this way about homosexuals. I still have debates with people who beleive that being gay is a choice and it has something to do with how you were raised. In my younger years as a teenager I may have said similar things about homosexuals. But that was because I was naive and didn't understand. Now I know better.

[Dion]

Hardaway's reputation went down the toliet with his bigoted comments. He can apologise all he wants but the damage has been done. When you say you hate someone any apologies would sound hollow.

Kudos to David Stern for banning Hardaway from this years All Star fesitivities in Vegas.

Amaechi was interviewed on CNN and he said he doesn't accept Hardaway's apology.

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

There is a difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Not all gays are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are gay but you can be a gay pedophile like James is.

And you can also be straight and be a pedophile.

What the heck is your point then?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Hakan

And you can also be straight and be a pedophile.

What the heck is your point then?

That the quote:

I would say "ALL gay people are pretty harmless and wouldn't try anything in the locker room"

is false.

[moon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Another example someone brought the other day to me was when Al Iafrate was quoted as saying "Empty net goals are for homos."

Imagine the outrage now if he said that?

But yeah still a long way to go.

I am sure people say it (or something like it) almost everyday in the sports world, just not to the media. BUt in the lockeroom, on the court, in practice I am sure similar type things are said. I still hear it when out with friends or playing sports.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

That the quote:

Quote:
I would say "ALL gay people are pretty harmless and wouldn't try anything in the locker room"

is false.

Come on. Hardaway is talking about grown men sharing locker rooms with other grown men. Not with little boys. The Graham James analogy is completely irrelevant and is a clear attempt to link pedophilia and homosexuality. Unfortunately (for you), you have only clearly proven the link between homophobia and stupidity.