2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[AC]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

There is no reason to have Gawdin and Yelesin (maybe even Mackie) in Stockton, unless it is for the reps. I'm ok with Tre laying off the Ufa signings.

Really? Gawdin and Mackey should absolutely be in Stockton instead of wasting away on the taxi squad IMO.

The taxi squad is ideal for players like Rinaldo, Robinson, Stone (seems like an inevitable depth signing still).

Mackey hasn't played a professional game yet, he needs to be in the AHL when they start up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

PLD is much younger than Monahan and has elite 1st line C potential. There is no way Columbus does that. Not a chance.

That’s fine as I assume Dubois is not available but if he is that is my offer

Dubois > Monahan
Hanifin > Savard

No need for the 1st in my opinion. I see the deal basically as Monahan and Hanifin for Dubois with Savard basically being a rental player for the Flames. Not a deal I am that interested in.

I don’t see Dubois as a future elite top C though I see him more as a Monahan type solid #2 and decent number 1 guy

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He was 2nd on the team in five on five points / 60, in the top five in most play driving metrics.

I think he was instrumental in how he started the Jets series and got the opposition and their coach off their game.

Did he light it up? Nope, but he certainly wasn't the problem.

Can't believe how poorly Monahan and Gaudreau did five on five (Lindholm too).

Fair but not really relevant. He has not proven himself as a playoff performer yet. He was okay not great and I am sure he is not in love with his performance. And the team didn’t have too problems that weren’t overcome vs the Jets when he was in, they won, and he was okay.

The conversation was not Tkachuk vs top line.

It was Tkachuk the great interviewee vs Tkachuk the on ice difference maker

Still work to be done

[FlamesAddiction]

Dubois plays a complete game which makes him pretty valuable. Not even considering that Dubois is only 22 years old, which as an asset adds even more value, his complete game makes him a rare player.

I really can't see Columbus trading him for anything unless it is a crazy overpayment.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That’s fine as I assume Dubois is not available but if he is that is my offer

Dubois > Monahan
Hanifin > Savard

No need for the 1st in my opinion. I see the deal basically as Monahan and Hanifin for Dubois with Savard basically being a rental player for the Flames. Not a deal I am that interested in.

I don’t see Dubois as a future elite top C though I see him more as a Monahan type solid #2 and decent number 1 guy

Dubois is a going to be a game-breaker. I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet offensively but his two-way game is miles ahead of Monahan. And he uses his size way more effectively than Monahan. I don't think the difference between Hanifin and Savard makes up the difference between Dubois and Monny. The 1st added is fair imo, and it is definitely what is needed for Columbus to even consider trading him.

[Sandman]

Dubois should be as untouchable as you can get. In a few years, we'll talk about him the same way we talk about Barkov.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Dubois should be as untouchable as you can get. In a few years, we'll talk about him the same way we talk about Barkov.

Overrated defensively? Because they both are, to an extreme extent.

Dubois is not "miles ahead" of Monahan defensively. They're both bad.

[Vinny01]

I am not really convinced that Dubois is any better than Monahan was at 22. Torts has been fairly critical in the past. He is a very good player and absolutely worth more than Monahan straight up in a trade no denying that. When adding the 23 year old Hanifin signed to a good deal and then add 30 year old Savard on the other side it evens it out imo.

Flames add a first and they get fleeced

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Overrated defensively? Because they both are, to an extreme extent.

Dubois is not "miles ahead" of Monahan defensively. They're both bad.

So I look at it a bit differently. Monahan had some early success, and also has seen how Colorado ran over a regular season juggernaut line.

Monahan is self aware, has been very good offensively, and did speak with the coaches prior to this year about working on his two way game. He knows where there are gaps and is looking to grow that part of his game

Who better to teach a kid to succeed in the playoffs than GM hand picked no playoff as head coach Bill Peters?

Maybe this was a year of adjustment. The line wasn’t good in the playoffs, and that was also a weird return to play.

Lots of turmoil but Monahan has recognized early in his career what Scotty had to teach Yzerman

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Overrated defensively? Because they both are, to an extreme extent.

Dubois is not "miles ahead" of Monahan defensively. They're both bad.

Overrated defensively? Barkov was 11th in Selke voting this year, 5th the year before, and 4th the year before that. He’s universally known as one of the best 2-way players in the league. I have no idea where you came up with this.

[TheScorpion]

I'm on my phone right now so I'll pull it up in a bit but Barkov has been trading on name recognition in that regard for a while now. He was one of the least effective defensive centres in the league last year.

He's still great offensively so he's not quite Doughty-level overrated... but he's up there.

[TheScorpion]

So Barkov is amazing offensively but an "elite defensive forward" he is not.



Florida gets pretty badly outplayed in their own zone when he's out there — particularly in terms of shot quality.

Btw — this player card comes from a really good analytics site I subscribe to — here's the link.

For a link to the data that this card is, in part, based on, click here:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/t.../Full-YearRAPM

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

So Barkov is amazing offensively but an "elite defensive forward" he is not.



Florida gets pretty badly outplayed in their own zone when he's out there — particularly in terms of shot quality.

Btw — this player card comes from a really good analytics site I subscribe to — here's the link.

For a link to the data that this card is, in part, based on, click here:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/t.../Full-YearRAPM

If I'm reading this correctly, some interesting conclusions:

-Sean Couturier, the Selke winner, was an elite offensive player but pretty meh defensively

-The New York Rangers iced the 3 worst players in the NHL

-Connor McDavid was a defensive dumpster fire (well they definitely got that one right)

-Mikael Backlund was pretty meh defensively too

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Fair but not really relevant. He has not proven himself as a playoff performer yet. He was okay not great and I am sure he is not in love with his performance. And the team didn’t have too problems that weren’t overcome vs the Jets when he was in, they won, and he was okay.

The conversation was not Tkachuk vs top line.

It was Tkachuk the great interviewee vs Tkachuk the on ice difference maker

Still work to be done

How is is production vs his teammates not relevant when you brought up he had only two points in the playoffs?

You thought it was relevant enough to start the conversation on production, but now it's not?

Either way he'd be the first to say he needs to do more, so not much to worry about.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So I look at it a bit differently. Monahan had some early success, and also has seen how Colorado ran over a regular season juggernaut line.

Monahan is self aware, has been very good offensively, and did speak with the coaches prior to this year about working on his two way game. He knows where there are gaps and is looking to grow that part of his game

Who better to teach a kid to succeed in the playoffs than GM hand picked no playoff as head coach Bill Peters?

Maybe this was a year of adjustment. The line wasn’t good in the playoffs, and that was also a weird return to play.

Lots of turmoil but Monahan has recognized early in his career what Scotty had to teach Yzerman

Yeah I don't see the book closed on Monahan.

I think the guy cares, took a year to fix up other parts of his game, and that probably contributed to the line slipping offensively.

Sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take two forward, and hopefully that's what we see this year.

18-19 everything went right for that line, based on career averages the reverse in 19-20. Would be happy to see something inbetween.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1343251088707903489

[neo45]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

So Barkov is amazing offensively but an "elite defensive forward" he is not.



Florida gets pretty badly outplayed in their own zone when he's out there — particularly in terms of shot quality.

Btw — this player card comes from a really good analytics site I subscribe to — here's the link.

For a link to the data that this card is, in part, based on, click here:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/t.../Full-YearRAPM

Best visual tool out there for analytics imo. Highly recommend

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1343251088707903489

Decent replacement for Lundqvist. Better than whatever else is out there. Anderson can definitely be a good mentor for Samsonov.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1343344735495352321

[Classic_Sniper]

I would absolutely love Dubois on the Flames. He has that power forward game that I like in a center and yet at the same time, he’s an excellent skater with the puck too. His numbers aren’t spectacular or anything, but I think he’s just scratching the surface.

The most important thing he proved is that he can get it done in the playoffs. He powered his team past the 1-2 punch of Tavares-Matthews and was also pretty productive against the eventual Stanley Cup winners. That says a lot.