Flames prospects at the 2021 WJC: Pelletier, Zary (CAN), Wolf (USA), Kuznetzov (RUS)

[Nelson]

One thing about Kuznetsov I didn’t notice last night, Larionov started him. He was out first shift against Dach etc.

[Canada 02]

are rosters set, or could they bring in a replacement and quarantine for 5 days?

[FlamesAreOne]

Dach out of the tourney.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

are rosters set, or could they bring in a replacement and quarantine for 5 days?

Nope...they go with what they have....each team has 2 extra skaters IIRC who have been bubbled since the beginning.

Big blow for Canada but they are really deep at F.

Really feel for Dach and the Hawks and is a perfect illustration why the Rangers wouldnt allow Lafreniere to go.

Hopefully thats the last injury to any of the participants.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope...they go with what they have....each team has 2 extra skaters IIRC who have been bubbled since the beginning.

Big blow for Canada but they are really deep at F.

Really feel for Dach and the Hawks and is a perfect illustration why the Rangers wouldnt allow Lafreniere to go.

Hopefully thats the last injury to any of the participants.

maybe ... just to be safe ....they should not play him in scrimmages or contact drills or even regular season games.

Are any of the WJC more dangerous than games played in junior, AHL or the NHL?

Why did the Flames take a chance on Valimaki risking an injury playing in Finland?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

maybe ... just to be safe ....they should not play him in scrimmages or contact drills or even regular season games.

Are any of the WJC more dangerous than games played in junior, AHL or the NHL?

Why did the Flames take a chance on Valimaki risking an injury playing in Finland?

Lafreniere has played in this tournament twice, and won it once. This makes the decision for the Rangers significantly easier than for Dach's handlers since this would have been his one and only chance to play in the U20.

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[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

maybe ... just to be safe ....they should not play him in scrimmages or contact drills or even regular season games.

Are any of the WJC more dangerous than games played in junior, AHL or the NHL?

Why did the Flames take a chance on Valimaki risking an injury playing in Finland?

Well, Ricardodw. The WJC is actually not part of the NHL season wherein a team is competing to make the playoffs. Do I need to continue to provide reasoning why a team may opt not let one of their star rookies play in a tournament where they could get injured and hurt said teams chances at making the playoffs?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Well, Ricardodw. The WJC is actually not part of the NHL season wherein a team is competing to make the playoffs. Do I need to continue to provide reasoning why a team may opt not let one of their star rookies play in a tournament where they could get injured and hurt said teams chances at making the playoffs?

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

Meaningless

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

Because he's barely played in the last couple years, and getting quality playing time is key to his development and to ensure he's ready to go for the season.

It's risk/reward evaluation.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

How do you ignore that said player missed half of one season, and then all of the next and hadn't played a "meaningful" game since April of 2019

He's more at risk to get hurt without playing some games given that long a gap.

Every team has to make decisions on their players for tournaments like this based on the player's importance, the role on the NHL team in the upcoming season, and the players history.

Lafreniere has played twice, won a goal and an MVP. He's done.

Dach missed out, and the Hawks were giving him a chance.

No need to second guess everyone in these matters.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

It's almost like different teams have different viewpoints on how to best develop their prospects, depending on where they think their development is at? I know, mind blown right?

[AustinL_NHL]

You can never blame an NHL team for letting their player(s) play at the WJC when injury strikes. Injuries happen. It's unfortunate, but not something worth not allowing your prospect(s) to play in an amazing tournament that every player dreams about playing in.

In any other year, those prospects would be playing games as it is so there's really no extra risk. Sure, Dach's situation is different since he'll be missing actual NHL games, but you also got to look at it from the players perspective.

Playing for Team Canada at the WJC is something every Canadian grows up dreaming about. Yes, you also grow up dreaming about playing in the NHL, but you have a lot more time to do that, whereas most players only get one true shot at making the WJC team, let alone two or three. Especially in Canada.

Dach wanted the opportunity to represent Canada and win Gold more than anything. Can't blame him, nor can you blame the Blackhawks for allowing him the opportunity.

In Lafreniere's case, it does make sense to keep him out because he's already been to the WJC twice, won Gold, and was named the WJC best player. Not much left for him to accomplish.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How do you ignore that said player missed half of one season, and then all of the next and hadn't played a "meaningful" game since April of 2019

He's more at risk to get hurt without playing some games given that long a gap.

Every team has to make decisions on their players for tournaments like this based on the player's importance, the role on the NHL team in the upcoming season, and the players history.

Lafreniere has played twice, won a goal and an MVP. He's done.

Dach missed out, and the Hawks were giving him a chance.

No need to second guess everyone in these matters.

Exactly.

Player development is not a cookie cutter proposition!

Each team, based on the needs of each prospect, create individual player development plans.

These plans can be altered, to varying degrees, for various reasons.

Is this really that difficult to comprehend?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Well VilleN Please provide reasoning why the Flames opted to let one of their star rookies play in totally meaningless games in Finland where he could get injured and hurt the Flames chance to make the playoffs.

I can’t tell if you’re actually this dumb or it’s an act... if it is; Bravo take a bow.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I can’t tell if you’re actually this dumb or it’s an act... if it is; Bravo take a bow.

It's not an act.

[bigrangy]

Ricardo’s 100% spot on. Injuries happen, and as long as the player is playing somewhere where they can get the same standard of medical care they do with their NHL team, then it doesn’t change a thing. Get hurt here or get hurt in practice or NHL preseason, or even in an actual game. The injury was going to happen anyways.

[Geeoff]

With Dach out, could mean more opportunities for Pelletier and Zary

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Ricardo’s 100% spot on. Injuries happen, and as long as the player is playing somewhere where they can get the same standard of medical care they do with their NHL team, then it doesn’t change a thing. Get hurt here or get hurt in practice or NHL preseason, or even in an actual game. The injury was going to happen anyways.

No, he’s not. By not allowing a player to play in the WJC you’re minimizing the risk that they get injured and can’t get play in the regular season... for their NHL club that profits off of them. It’s a very simple concept. If they get injured during NHL play, it’s on the job. As an owner would you want a player bull riding during the season?

And the injury isn’t going to happen anyways. If Dach didn’t play in the WJC he’d be ready for game one of the season. Chicago was ok with that risk as a rebuilding team. Some teams aren’t.

[Samonadreau]

Just had another look at the teams in each pool and the games for team Canada in round robin and wow.

observations:
1. Not to overlook the competition but boring pool.
2. Best win the pool if you dont want to play Russia, US or Sweden in the Quarter Finals.