Ocean Wiesblatt discussion

[Cambardi]

Brilliant. Maybe tag with ‘Triggering’. Might help.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

I believe they are gatekeepers to the experts that are part of an agenda. But we all have our own opinions. Anyway heres a video from a credible microbiologist that has been censored. And if ur going to watch 10 seconds and make your own "expert" post then just dont bother.
https://newtube.app/user/NoNewAbnormal/yYWSSXm?u=t

We’re just asking you to wear a mask and abide by the law. Don’t worry, we don’t want your guns.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I’m truly dumbfounded how many people are happy to be living in an upside down world. They are so happy that police are called to break up make shift outdoor scrimmages, yet stand behind drug consumption sights. The kids should’ve been at home getting drunk or out shooting up at an injection sight as these are apparently deemed safer then physical fitness, sunshine and the clean mountain air Calgarians enjoy. The boys were also enjoying something that was okayed and suggested by our very own Premier 10 or so days ago. Do people really expect the 21 and under crowd to keep tabs on the ever changing laws, rules, restrictions and regulations that change week to week and are riddled with inconsistencies?

COVID fatigue is more prevalent with every passing day, the ever changing restrictions add apathy to the fatigue. The young man that was arrested has had enough, and is part of a growing population who, be it right or wrong, share his views. And the signs of COVID hysteria are most obvious right here on this very forum.

Hopefully from now on the Wiesblatt family chooses to hang out at the mall instead of the outdoor rink.

I'm not sure what is registering with you. Restrictions were changed. Who cares what was allowed 10 days ago?

Again, these guys were warned by by-law. They decided to ignore that. Police came and requested they break it up. They ignored that. They asked for his name. He ignored that. He resisted the cops....

Like why am I supposed to feel bad for this guy? He also went on Facebook and stated how this was some kind of protest.

Here is the thing. No one likes this. Nobody here is loving life right now and asking for more restrictions, but acting like a butthole is not doing anybody any favors. NEWSFLASH - Most people actually want people like you and your friend Ocean to stfu already.

Play stupid games and win stupid prizes

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I’m truly dumbfounded how many people are happy to be living in an upside down world. They are so happy that police are called to break up make shift outdoor scrimmages, yet stand behind drug consumption sights. The kids should’ve been at home getting drunk or out shooting up at an injection sight as these are apparently deemed safer then physical fitness, sunshine and the clean mountain air Calgarians enjoy. The boys were also enjoying something that was okayed and suggested by our very own Premier 10 or so days ago. Do people really expect the 21 and under crowd to keep tabs on the ever changing laws, rules, restrictions and regulations that change week to week and are riddled with inconsistencies?

COVID fatigue is more prevalent with every passing day, the ever changing restrictions add apathy to the fatigue. The young man that was arrested has had enough, and is part of a growing population who, be it right or wrong, share his views. And the signs of COVID hysteria are most obvious right here on this very forum.

Hopefully from now on the Wiesblatt family chooses to hang out at the mall instead of the outdoor rink.

While this is exhausting for everyone, the saddest part about it all is that we've seen that society doesn't care. People are dying every day, our ICU's are over capacity, families torn apart, patients unable to receive timely care and get surgeries, our healthcare workers physically and mentally breaking down, and a bunch of kids decide that their play time is more important than all of that. Parents organizing large Christmases that will inevitability lead to more death and impacts on everyone. The magnitude of the selfishness is depressing, and very real. It permeates all ages of people, not just 21 year old "kids". But hey, if it's to much effort to keep up with the rules, #### 'em all, eh?

[SebC]

Just call him Ocean Blatt.

Spoiler!

Because he's not very Weis.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by Cambardi

Brilliant. Maybe tag with ‘Triggering’. Might help.

As much as I understand not enjoying seeing topics on this everywhere you look, being triggered by something is very subjective. I don't think it's achievable to label feeds to accurately reflect what might not be positively received by an unknown group of posters

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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

First, I don't think anyone likes the way things are. That is why people should follow the rules so that we can hopefully exit this crap sooner.

There is no exit from ‘this crap’. COVID-19 isn't going away. Eradicating smallpox took decades of effort. The same is true for polio, and that one isn't quite done yet. No vaccine has ever been 100% effective. No matter what we do, the disease will continue to infect people.

So far, this is business as usual. But now we have people grandstanding about it, and scoring cheap political points by claiming that EVERY! SINGLE! DEATH! must be someone's fault. A few people are loudly touting the idea that the only acceptable casualty rate is zero, and a lot of people are quietly going along with it.

But we're not getting to zero.

Put those two things together, and we have a recipe for permanent masks, permanent lockdowns, permanent unemployment, permanent school closures, permanent bans on any and every kind of human interaction between people who live in different households. None of it will ever be enough, because no infectious disease can be eradicated in that way. But as long as public health officials continue to follow that rationale, there will never be any grounds for removing the restrictions. And there will always be people campaigning for more, for a variety of reasons.

Then, when we have people saying things like this—

Even if I give in and agree that this is a normal flu season thing (absolutely do not), then I’m ashamed we haven’t been wearing masks all along.

—it looks to me like the same faulty reasoning is being applied to the flu, and presumably to other viruses. Mask everyone. Lock down everything. Every death by any respiratory virus is someone's fault and must be prevented, no matter how much collateral damage it does. That's the attitude I am seeing in a lot of places.

Things will get much, much worse before they ever become perfect.

[SportsJunky]

Who said eradicate? What are you talking about?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Who said eradicate? What are you talking about?

I'm talking about people who expect the restrictions to go on until the virus is eradicated. People who think there is some way out of this, so things can go back to the way they were before Covid.

There is no way to, as Bonded put it, ‘exit this crap’.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Pretty sure everyone would be more or less fine if we were humming along with rates like we had in June. 500 to 1000 active cases, 20-30 people in ICU, it's by no means perfect but if that sort of level can be sustained once vaccination is widespread, we'll be fine to open everything back up and get back to life as more-or-less normal (though I personally think we should keep going with the masks and social distancing in places where it doesn't pose any major inconvenience; there's really not much downside to that).

[Fuzz]

I'm not sure I agree that there is no out of this. Get enough people vaccinated, and it loses the ability to spread. SARS went away, there is no reason this couldn't if you get rid of transmission pathways.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by jay random

there is no exit from ‘this crap’. Covid-19 isn't going away. Eradicating smallpox took decades of effort. The same is true for polio, and that one isn't quite done yet. No vaccine has ever been 100% effective. No matter what we do, the disease will continue to infect people.

So far, this is business as usual. But now we have people grandstanding about it, and scoring cheap political points by claiming that every! Single! Death! Must be someone's fault. A few people are loudly touting the idea that the only acceptable casualty rate is zero, and a lot of people are quietly going along with it.

But we're not getting to zero.

Put those two things together, and we have a recipe for permanent masks, permanent lockdowns, permanent unemployment, permanent school closures, permanent bans on any and every kind of human interaction between people who live in different households. None of it will ever be enough, because no infectious disease can be eradicated in that way. But as long as public health officials continue to follow that rationale, there will never be any grounds for removing the restrictions. And there will always be people campaigning for more, for a variety of reasons.

Then, when we have people saying things like this—



—it looks to me like the same faulty reasoning is being applied to the flu, and presumably to other viruses. Mask everyone. Lock down everything. Every death by any respiratory virus is someone's fault and must be prevented, no matter how much collateral damage it does. That's the attitude i am seeing in a lot of places.

Things will get much, much worse before they ever become perfect.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1339503277411581952

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So far, this is business as usual. But now we have people grandstanding about it, and scoring cheap political points by claiming that EVERY! SINGLE! DEATH! must be someone's fault. A few people are loudly touting the idea that the only acceptable casualty rate is zero, and a lot of people are quietly going along with it.

But we're not getting to zero.

Seems pretty hyperbolic to me. I've seen people getting frustrated that some people cannot follow simple rules and guidelines for the greater good. Guidelines that would not be in place for a long period of time if everyone actually followed them.

Nobody is going for a casualty rate of zero, you may not have noticed but we are far beyond that metric. People are hoping to have a manageable amount of spread though so that hospitals are not overburdened and people can still get the routine surgeries that they may need as they come up instead of having to wait because those beds are currently taken by someone with covid.

I'm not sure where you are seeing half the things you mentioned in your post.

[SnipeShow]

I heard somewhere that the government specifically said we were not aiming for net zero as some places chose to (I cant recall if it was just Alberta or the federal gov that stated it). I'll post the source of I can find it again.

So as some have mentioned, getting it as manageable and sustainable moving forward appears to be the goal while zero would simply be ideal.

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[SebC]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There is no exit from ‘this crap’. COVID-19 isn't going away. [...]

Absolute nonsense. Wuhan has exited, New Zealand has exited, Thailand has exited... and that's without a vaccine. SARS, while maybe not eradicated, has been fully contained. All we need is for the vaccine to bring R<1 and we reduce the cases with the same power of exponentiation that's driven growth with R>1. We don't need 100% protection at an individual level for that.

There might still be pockets of idiots of who get infected as there are with measles but covid will not be a threat to the general population in Canada once the vaccine rollout is complete.

[malcolmk14]

And this is the type of stuff that starts to come out when you go public with stuff like this. Nope, this guy has no problem with authority at all...

I'm starting to see a pattern. Doesn't seem to think rules apply to him.

https://twitter.com/shoutitout314/st...366340096?s=20

Not sure how to embed tweets but:

THIS is the kid?! I had the worst teen night of my life as a duty manager a few years ago because of him. Ken, I’m sure you’ve heard about the night a kid released fish in the Shawnessy pool... it was him!

The simple version is that he came into our rec facility one night, and continuously broke rule after rule in every part of the building. He got tired of me enforcing our rules so he went to the pet store across the street and bought some guppies.

He hid the bag in his swim trunks, and released them into our swimming pool. We ended up having to shut the pool down for the night. I had a line of other kids waiting to throw him under the bus once he left. All the fish died too

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

And this is the type of stuff that starts to come out when you go public with stuff like this. Nope, this guy has no problem with authority at all...

I'm starting to see a pattern. Doesn't seem to think rules apply to him.

https://twitter.com/shoutitout314/st...366340096?s=20

Not sure how to embed tweets but:

Another comment in that thread:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1340776527848382464

[SportsJunky]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1340683527956795393

[BurningSteel]

These people will never get it as they are all fringers into conspiracy theories and the like.


I would love to see a strategy where they are all identified and refused treatment related to C-19 infections should they catch it.


The fact that they think this is a conspiracy is so easy to debunk but they dont care. All they have to do is look at how much effort goes into signing trade deals between countries as well as environmental ones (Paris) and the back and forth that goes on for years, yet most countries in the world seemed to come together within weeks at great damage to their economies and social norms regarding this.



Their answer? Its the global elite!! FREEDOM!!


They should also familiarize themselves with both Section 1 of the Charter (its not a constitution or a bill of rights.....but good job putting the Idiot in Covidiot). Also take a look at the Oakes test.


https://ualawccsprod.srv.ualberta.ca...07/oakes-test/


Obviously the courts will ultimately decide this but I would say that the measures taken coast to coast establish that the benefits of the various municipal and provincial law outweigh its negative impact—that is, its violation of a Charter right.


These guys dont want to operate in the lasw though as there too busy playing William Wallace.


end rant

[troutman]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

And this is the type of stuff that starts to come out when you go public with stuff like this. Nope, this guy has no problem with authority at all...

I'm starting to see a pattern. Doesn't seem to think rules apply to him.

https://twitter.com/shoutitout314/st...366340096?s=20

Not sure how to embed tweets but:

Chlorine is really bad for guppies.