[Signing] Flames Sign Oliver Kylington (1 Year/ $787,500)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It would be monumentally stupid to spend all of this time developing Kylington, only to lose him for nothing on waivers and watch him reach his potential with another team. Somehow it also feels like such a typical Flames thing to do that I'm all but certain that it will happen.

Well it’s up to Kylington to prove he belongs full time play with the flames. Kylington and Anderson were drafted in the same year , same round , 10 spots from each other. They have both been given the same chance up to this point . One has flourished with his chance and the other has been adequate on some games and less then stellar in others. With the way Rafa and waivers are set up you have to prove yourself in that time frame to the original club that drafted you. This happens with all teams. It’s not just a Flames thing ,when they put young players on waivers. Plus I’m not 100 percent he would get claimed anyway. The 6th spot is ripe for the taking. If he can’t even get the 7th spot on the flames , why would other clubs be picking him up on waivers?

[Jiri Hrdina]

The time spent on his development is a sunk cost and shouldn’t be used to make decisions going forward

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Well it’s up to Kylington to prove he belongs full time play with the flames. Kylington and Anderson were drafted in the same year , same round , 10 spots from each other. They have both been given the same chance up to this point . One has flourished with his chance and the other has been adequate on some games and less then stellar in others. With the way Rafa and waivers are set up you have to prove yourself in that time frame to the original club that drafted you. This happens with all teams. It’s not just a Flames thing ,when they put young players on waivers. Plus I’m not 100 percent he would get claimed anyway. The 6th spot is ripe for the taking. If he can’t even get the 7th spot on the flames , why would other clubs be picking him up on waivers?

Very well said.

I like the player, and hope he settles things down in his own zone to the point that he can become a regular.

But to date I've seen the following ...

- good wheels but doesn't use the wheels to beat anyone when carrying the puck (rarely).
- not big and has some trouble in his own zone defensively.

but the thing that really stood out for me in the second half of last season was an almost paralysis when he had the puck from a D partner on a break out. If he didn't see an option he almost froze.

With wheels like he has just move! Things will open up!

But lots of skill there if he can make that jump to use his boots with the puck more often.

[Burning Beard]

I fully agree with both Bingo and Kyuss. He looked pretty rattled and shell shocked in his last few games before the Covid stoppage.

Keep developing him slow and make him earn his minutes. If he can't earn minutes over Mackey, Nesterov or Yelesin and you lose him in the expansion draft then so be it.

I agree with everyone who sees his potential, but don't believe that his potential should guarantee him unearned minutes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But lots of skill there if he can make that jump to use his boots with the puck more often.

Play him on the right side. As a left handed shot he will have to take passes on his backhand and I think that will force him to skate more/ move his feet, in order to make the next play - much like Brodie. I agree 100% though he has to move and things will open up.

EDIT: I have no idea why they wouldn't at least try him on the right side. He says he likes there and maybe it unlocks his potential. It makes no sense not to try it out.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Very well said.

I like the player, and hope he settles things down in his own zone to the point that he can become a regular.

But to date I've seen the following ...

- good wheels but doesn't use the wheels to beat anyone when carrying the puck (rarely).
- not big and has some trouble in his own zone defensively.

but the thing that really stood out for me in the second half of last season was an almost paralysis when he had the puck from a D partner on a break out. If he didn't see an option he almost froze.

With wheels like he has just move! Things will open up!

But lots of skill there if he can make that jump to use his boots with the puck more often.

This.

One thing you cannot teach is natural speed and agility. He has it in spades. Along with that speed he has to be able to think the game faster as well because he is simply moving faster. That's where his issues are and where the inconsistency pops up. And most of those times are in the d zone when he has the puck and needs to move it...either by foot or by pass. Coaching can only do so much in that kind of scenario and on top of that, this club (whether you agree or disagree) thinks of itself as a win-now team, and simply do not have the time to allow repeated mistakes that could cost them. Thats what the AHL is for, and again, why i believe (along with the 2 way deal) he starts the season with that squad where ever it may be located.

He can always come into camp and show management that he has it figured out, and wouldn't that be optimal?, but at this point....it just hasn't been proven yet and it may never materialize as we wish.

[cannon7]

Appeared to find another gear early last season, but regressed as the season wore on. Just needs some time and space, Gus-style minutes would likely do him well. Organization still seems unsure about him. Has a higher ceiling than Kulak, would be a shame to lose another solid #4/5 because the organization doesn't believe in their own.

[ricardodw]

For those of you that are afraid of losing Kylington in the expansion draft Eric Duhatschek and Ryan S. Clark at the Athletic have The Flames losing Backlund

Which makes perfect sense if they protect Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Gio

Leaves Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk as protected forwards and Lucic, Bennett, Mangiapane and Dube along with Backlund in the available pool


Good news for Kylington as he would have to dress for 22 games to be the draft eligible D-man for the Flames.

This puts the Flames in the position of dealing with the Kraken ... Dube plus for them to pick Lucic and leave Backlund?

[Jiri Hrdina]

I doubt they protect Tanev

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

For those of you that are afraid of losing Kylington in the expansion draft Eric Duhatschek and Ryan S. Clark at the Athletic have The Flames losing Backlund



Which makes perfect sense if they protect Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Gio



Leaves Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk as protected forwards and Lucic, Bennett, Mangiapane and Dube along with Backlund in the available pool





Good news for Kylington as he would have to dress for 22 games to be the draft eligible D-man for the Flames.



This puts the Flames in the position of dealing with the Kraken ... Dube plus for them to pick Lucic and leave Backlund?

You want to trade Dube and something else just so they'll take Lucic? I'd rather just lose the one asset then give up 2 to lose another asset of my choice.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

For those of you that are afraid of losing Kylington in the expansion draft Eric Duhatschek and Ryan S. Clark at the Athletic have The Flames losing Backlund



Which makes perfect sense if they protect Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Gio



Leaves Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk as protected forwards and Lucic, Bennett, Mangiapane and Dube along with Backlund in the available pool...

Did the article have the Flames protecting 4+4? I can't see them opting to keep Tanev over one of Dube and Mangiapane.

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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Did the article have the Flames protecting 4+4? I can't see them opting to keep Tanev over one of Dube and Mangiapane.

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No, it did not.

They protected Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube alongside Giordano, Andersson, Hanifin, and Markstrom.

Which I agree with fully.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

You want to trade Dube and something else just so they'll take Lucic? I'd rather just lose the one asset then give up 2 to lose another asset of my choice.

Of course ricardodw would want the Flames to trade Dube plus extras for Seattle to take Lucic. Ricardodw is a Jets fan.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

For those of you that are afraid of losing Kylington in the expansion draft Eric Duhatschek and Ryan S. Clark at the Athletic have The Flames losing Backlund

Which makes perfect sense if they protect Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Gio

Did you read the article?

Yes the article said they would lose Backlund, but they had a 7+3 protection scheme instead of your “make sense” 4+4.

Are you misrepresenting their position in an attempt to further your opinion?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CF84

Of course ricardodw would want the Flames to trade Dube plus extras for Seattle to take Lucic. Ricardodw is a Jets fan.

I don't know that he is really a Jets fan, but ricardodw is DEFINITELY NOT a Flames fan. In every post he actively hopes only for their failure.

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[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Did you read the article?

Yes the article said they would lose Backlund, but they had a 7+3 protection scheme instead of your “make sense” 4+4.

Are you misrepresenting their position in an attempt to further your opinion?

If you know ricardodw he is definitely misinterpreting things. That's his thing.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

For those of you that are afraid of losing Kylington in the expansion draft Eric Duhatschek and Ryan S. Clark at the Athletic have The Flames losing Backlund

Which makes perfect sense if they protect Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev and Gio

Leaves Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm and Tkachuk as protected forwards and Lucic, Bennett, Mangiapane and Dube along with Backlund in the available pool


Good news for Kylington as he would have to dress for 22 games to be the draft eligible D-man for the Flames.

This puts the Flames in the position of dealing with the Kraken ... Dube plus for them to pick Lucic and leave Backlund?

I don’t even know what to say to this without sounding like a jerk.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wait trading Dube to keep Backlund?


I want some of what he's having.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wait trading Dube to keep Backlund?


I want some of what he's having.

Not just Dube, Dube+

[Gaskal]

I predict that:

Tre will do nothing.
The Krakens will select Milan Lucic with their expansion pick.
CP will collectively go WTF and crash for about 5 min.