Random question: Why did the Flames trade Reichel in 1997?

[Winsor_Pilates]

This thread is depressing

[activeStick]

This guy was interesting. I remember he could score, but he didn't excite me as a fan. What was he, number 28? 26? Probably 26 actually, Ranheim was 28 but not sure if they were on the team at the same time. He was another former Flame who brought it at times, but the majority of the time, didn't bring it often enough or get to that next level.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Tabaracci_31

What was the deal with the ‘93 team? Was it all leaky goaltending? Were they considered Cup contenders?

You can find a lot of that series on YouTube.

The Flames just didn’t have an answer for Gretzky, Robitaille, Granato, etc..

Vernon sucked too. IIRC, they even started Jeff Reese for a couple of games.

That series had come crazy scores. 12-4, 9-6, etc....

[the_only_turek_fan]

Keeping with the theme of this thread:

Why did the Flames release Marty Murray?

I always liked him. Thought he had some skill and seemed better than some of the other guys they had.

I recall Page trying a Fleury, Stillman, Murray trio once or twice.

[timun]

Marty Murray wasn't released, he was a Group VI UFA: 25+ years old, 3+ years pro, less than 80 games played in the NHL.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by timun

Marty Murray wasn't released, he was a Group VI UFA: 25+ years old, 3+ years pro, less than 80 games played in the NHL.

And it's not like he went on to do much after that. Three seasons as an average 4th liner on 3 different teams, then out of the league.

The fact he was even tried on a line with Fleury and Stillman just speaks to horrible lack of depth the Flames had back then.

[timun]

Yeah, Marty Murray's face might as well be next to the definition of "AHL star, NHL plug" in the hockey dictionary. He had skill for sure, but he was small (5'9") and not a pugnacious ****-disturber like Fleury. Never elevated his game like Martin St. Louis did. For every success story like St. Louis there are dozens and dozens of Marty Murrays who never hack it in the big league.

[browna]

Are some confusing (both highly unremarkable) Marty Murray with the oddly hued Marty McInnis?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by browna

Are some confusing (both highly unremarkable) Marty Murray with the oddly hued Marty McInnis?

No sir.

[Sandman]

Marty Murray had elite vision, but his main problem was his lack of footspeed. He played in an era where there were hardly any players under six feet-the clutch and grab era. If you were small, you had better be fast-and Marty wasn't fast. He gave us hope after a few elite seasons in the WHL, and a dazzling WJC, but it wasn't to be.

[timun]

That was the story of the Young Guns™ era Calgary Flames: promise and hope. There were lots of guys in Saint John who were supposed to become great NHL players, and never did. Marty Murray was one of the best, 0.93 PPG in the AHL from '95 to '98. Him, St. Louis, Ladislav Kohn, Hnat Domenichelli... AHL All-Stars, lots and lots of promise and hope, but didn't do much at the NHL level except St. Louis, of course.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by browna

Are some confusing (both highly unremarkable) Marty Murray with the oddly hued Marty McInnis?

Ha! And to make things even more confusing, we had a Michael Murray in the pipeline during that same era. Never made the show but played a few years with Saint John, and was absolutely a teammate of Marty Murray.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by timun

That was the story of the Young Guns™ era Calgary Flames: promise and hope. There were lots of guys in Saint John who were supposed to become great NHL players, and never did. Marty Murray was one of the best, 0.93 PPG in the AHL from '95 to '98. Him, St. Louis, Ladislav Kohn, Hnat Domenichelli... AHL All-Stars, lots and lots of promise and hope, but didn't do much at the NHL level except St. Louis, of course.

Remember Robert Dome?

He looked like an All-Star player for the first 10 minutes of a game, but had such terrible conditioning that you couldn't play him more than a few minutes a game after that. He only got in one game with the NHL Flames, so I am going by what others have said of course.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

You can find a lot of that series on YouTube.

The Flames just didn’t have an answer for Gretzky, Robitaille, Granato, etc..

Vernon sucked too. IIRC, they even started Jeff Reese for a couple of games.

That series had come crazy scores. 12-4, 9-6, etc....

12-4 was the series against LAK in 1990, but yeah, it's not hard to mix the two series up. I'll have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure Hrudey was hurt for the first few games as well and we went into game 4 up 2-1 facing Robb Stauber and he plays the game of his career. From there, we absolutely fell into a track meet with them and it favored LA bigtime. It's a shame because I always liked Dave King as a coach and always thought the 93, 94 and 95 teams deserved better. The 93 series went as follows (CGY wins in bold):

Game 1: 6-3 (0-1)
Game 2: 9-4 (1-1)
Game 3: 5-2 (2-1)
Game 4: 3-1 (2-2)
Game 5: 9-4 (3-2)
Game 6: 9-6 (4-2)

FWIW, here are some pretty accurate lines from the '93 series:

Roberts - Niuewy - Paslawski
Ranheim - Reichel - Theo
Ashton - Otto - Stern
Berube - Skrudland - Johansson

Musil - Chopper
Dahl - Suter
Yawney - Dahlquist

All in all, this was a good team, with really good Center depth, but I think Makarov basically quitting on the team killed the top 6 depth and forced guys like Paslawski and Stern to fill in roles that just didn't work. IMO, the '94 squad was much better than this team, but we all know how that turned out.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by EastCoastFlamesFan

12-4 was the series against LAK in 1990, but yeah, it's not hard to mix the two series up. I'll have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure Hrudey was hurt for the first few games as well and we went into game 4 up 2-1 facing Robb Stauber and he plays the game of his career. From there, we absolutely fell into a track meet with them and it favored LA bigtime. It's a shame because I always liked Dave King as a coach and always thought the 93, 94 and 95 teams deserved better. The 93 series went as follows (CGY wins in bold):

Game 1: 6-3 (0-1)
Game 2: 9-4 (1-1)
Game 3: 5-2 (2-1)
Game 4: 3-1 (2-2)
Game 5: 9-4 (3-2)
Game 6: 9-6 (4-2)

FWIW, here are some pretty accurate lines from the '93 series:

Roberts - Niuewy - Paslawski
Ranheim - Reichel - Theo
Ashton - Otto - Stern
Berube - Skrudland - Johansson

Musil - Chopper
Dahl - Suter
Yawney - Dahlquist

All in all, this was a good team, with really good Center depth, but I think Makarov basically quitting on the team killed the top 6 depth and forced guys like Paslawski and Stern to fill in roles that just didn't work. IMO, the '94 squad was much better than this team, but we all know how that turned out.

I do think Vernon was playing hurt in this series as well (back problems?) and I think in Game 6, Reese allowed 9 goals on like 21 shots while Flames had six goals on 46 shots. They were the better team in that game.

[Bill Bumface]

This reminds me of when trade deadline day used to be exciting. Like the times the Flames got Damphousse! Yay! Oh wait, JF, not Vincent.. booo!

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Marty Murray had elite vision, but his main problem was his lack of footspeed. He played in an era where there were hardly any players under six feet-the clutch and grab era. If you were small, you had better be fast-and Marty wasn't fast. He gave us hope after a few elite seasons in the WHL, and a dazzling WJC, but it wasn't to be.

The not physical, not fast and/or undersized junior scoring sensations of the mid-to-late 90s and early 2000s is always a fun rabbit hole to see where their careers took them.



Brad Moran, Corey Locke, Brandon Reid, Simon Gamache, Ramzi Abid, Sergei Varlamov, Nathan Barrett, Peter Sarno...

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

The not physical, not fast and/or undersized junior scoring sensations of the mid-to-late 90s and early 2000s is always a fun rabbit hole to see where their careers took them.



Brad Moran, Corey Locke, Brandon Reid, Simon Gamache, Ramzi Abid, Sergei Varlamov, Nathan Barrett, Peter Sarno...

Brad Moran is my neighbour!

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by EastCoastFlamesFan

12-4 was the series against LAK in 1990, but yeah, it's not hard to mix the two series up. I'll have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure Hrudey was hurt for the first few games as well and we went into game 4 up 2-1 facing Robb Stauber and he plays the game of his career. From there, we absolutely fell into a track meet with them and it favored LA bigtime. It's a shame because I always liked Dave King as a coach and always thought the 93, 94 and 95 teams deserved better. The 93 series went as follows (CGY wins in bold):

Game 1: 6-3 (0-1)
Game 2: 9-4 (1-1)
Game 3: 5-2 (2-1)
Game 4: 3-1 (2-2)
Game 5: 9-4 (3-2)
Game 6: 9-6 (4-2)

FWIW, here are some pretty accurate lines from the '93 series:

Roberts - Niuewy - Paslawski
Ranheim - Reichel - Theo
Ashton - Otto - Stern
Berube - Skrudland - Johansson

Musil - Chopper
Dahl - Suter
Yawney - Dahlquist

All in all, this was a good team, with really good Center depth, but I think Makarov basically quitting on the team killed the top 6 depth and forced guys like Paslawski and Stern to fill in roles that just didn't work. IMO, the '94 squad was much better than this team, but we all know how that turned out.

Why did Makarov quit on the team?!?!?

[AC]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Brad Moran is my neighbour!