When I was a kid in the UK in the 1960's we ate a relatively healthy diet, no fast foods or junk food pretty much at all, most did physically demanding work and car ownership was rare, and everyone died in their mid sixties a few years after retirement
When I was a kid in the UK in the 1960's we ate a relatively healthy diet, no fast foods or junk food pretty much at all, most did physically demanding work and car ownership was rare, and everyone died in their mid sixties a few years after retirement
You forgot to mention boiling the hell out of all veg, at least that was the approach of my Mum & Grandma.
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Should also be mentioned that the average life expectancy during this time was 35-40 years. So we are talking about an oral tradition about someone it is highly likely these people never met. Oral retellings are not exactly good at maintaining detail and many times completely reshape narratives all together over time. Just go back to playing telephone in school for an example. Now multiply that by a generation or two. Great stories, but so were the stories from the Old Testament. Both are probably as accurate.
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That's because of infant mortality. Life expectancy is an average, life span is what you should be looking at.
Roman Consul's at the time had to be at least 43 years old to serve. Emperor Augustus lived until he was 75, he was followed by Tiberius who lived for 77 years.
If you lived past childhood and could avoid war, the occasional plague and of course getting crucified, you were expected to live a lot longer than 40 years.
Genesis 9:29
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Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.
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When I was a kid in the UK in the 1960's we ate a relatively healthy diet, no fast foods or junk food pretty much at all, most did physically demanding work and car ownership was rare, and everyone died in their mid sixties a few years after retirement
How much did everyone smoke and drink, or work in toxic environments with no concept of PPE?
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Genesis 9:29
Everyone before the flood had really long lives if I remember correctly. Afterward, poor Moses only got 120 years.
When I was a kid in the UK in the 1960's we ate a relatively healthy diet, no fast foods or junk food pretty much at all, most did physically demanding work and car ownership was rare, and everyone died in their mid sixties a few years after retirement
And 70 per cent of people smoked.
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The point is people dying of old age weren't dying of it at 30 lol. The idea that out lifespan has increased much is simply a myth.
Of course if I brought up John the Apostle dying at 95 the same people will say that's some Christian conspiracy. Or Thomas at 70. Or Peter being executed at 60 something. Certainly all of those can be debated so instead I just went with the two emperors during Jesus' life.
Also the wealthy and powerful had their own perils because of their wealth and power. How many were emperors were assassinated? Other political leaders like Caesar killed? Military leaders in battle?
Plutarch was 70 something when he died. And of course long before any of them, Plato was 80 when he died. Socrates was 70 something when he died...because he was still spry enough to be a dick and was executed for it.
But want to take a guess what the life expectancy of an American was at 1900? If you guessed under 50, you'd be correct. Because, again,, it's not that our lifespan has increased much (if at all), it's our infant mortality that has changed.
And again, the point was there's document evidence that earlier Christians had formed no later than a decade or two after the supposed death of Jesus. We aren't talking generations upon generations here before anyone brought up Jesus. People who alleged to have known Jesus were at the Council of Jerusalem.
How much did everyone smoke and drink, or work in toxic environments with no concept of PPE?
I worked in a British pub for a summer in 2000. I expect that took 28 years off my life. The smoke was so thick it was like London fog when you turned the lights on at the end of the night.
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What's next, we going to look for the Easter bunny's briar patch?
Back in the good 'ol dark ages there were tons of mythical figures who performed miracles, were born of a virgin, etc. Commonplace in many cultures when spinning a yarn. I can't believe people actually believe in this rubbish in our modern age.
I can't believe the number of people who can't separate the discussion between the existence of a man named Jesus and the divinity of him.
Julius Caesar, according to his legend, was the descendant of Aeneas, the legendary hero and son of Aphrodite. Do you guys also believe that Caesar didn't exist because he was, according to his family tradition, a descendent of a god?
Not to mention every pharaoh, and most kings claiming some form of divinity.
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Not hard to separate the man named Jesus and the divinity of him, but what is somewhat incredulous to me is that it can be taken seriously that this man's home, and not some other dude's, has been discovered. That is the claim of the story.
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"It's almost certainly the Church of the Nutrition, which was dedicated to the upbringing of Christ, and mentioned in a 7th Century pilgrim's account."
So sometime between when Jesus died, and the 7th century, a church was built over what someone claimed was Jesus's childhood home. We know that there are loads of nonsense out there claiming to be the true this or that of some religious figure, because it would draw people to the area. Think about that 700 year period, and the chance that someone would have even remembered where he lived, let alone built a church sometime in that time period. We know there is motive for these sorts of things. The reality is, yes, it could be, but the odds are pretty slim. And even if so, who cares? It's maybe a neat curiosity, that's it.
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I can't believe the number of people who can't separate the discussion between the existence of a man named Jesus and the divinity of him.
Julius Caesar, according to his legend, was the descendant of Aeneas, the legendary hero and son of Aphrodite. Do you guys also believe that Caesar didn't exist because he was, according to his family tradition, a descendent of a god?
Not to mention every pharaoh, and most kings claiming some form of divinity.
I think the issue is that most people that believe he existed also believe he existed as "God's son".
I think that is the problem, that people can't separate that Jesus exists (i'm not 100% sure I do) and that he wasn't the Son of God. They automatically jump to that conclusion.
Kind of a different sides of the same coin situation.
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I can't believe the number of people who can't separate the discussion between the existence of a man named Jesus and the divinity of him.
Julius Caesar, according to his legend, was the descendant of Aeneas, the legendary hero and son of Aphrodite. Do you guys also believe that Caesar didn't exist because he was, according to his family tradition, a descendent of a god?
Not to mention every pharaoh, and most kings claiming some form of divinity.
That's quite a big jump. Just because some political leaders claim supernatural greatness, doesn't mean mythical figures are real.
Donald Trump believes he knows more about wind than any other human being. Kim Jong-il claimed he could drive at age 3, shot 11 holes in one, bowled a perfect game, and was born under a double rainbow. Does that mean Gilgamesh was a real person?
