2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Nelson

My opinion about trading for Barzal is that Barzal is way too valuable for the Flames to be able to trade for him. He is a young, elite centre, the kind of player teams do not trade.

You know except for Joe Thornton, Tyler Seguin, etc...

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know except for Joe Thornton, Tyler Seguin, etc...

I’m interested in more answers to this game so:
Richards, Carter....

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know except for Joe Thornton, Tyler Seguin, etc...

Okay, I’m wrong. I should’ve said, “that teams do not trade very often.”

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay, I’m wrong. I should’ve said, “that teams do not trade very often.”

I agree with that. Lou can be pretty stubborn on contracts though so I think Barzal has a small chance to get dealt.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Thornton, Richard and Carter were older than Barzal when traded. Seguin was younger. But three of those guys were traded because the teams could no longer keep them in check from their after-hockey activities.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think they'd be selling high on Max Pacioretty if they traded him right now. He had a great season, but the two seasons prior to that were pretty poor.

He's 32 and becomes a free agent in 2023. Not terrible term, but not valuable either, especially with a flat cap.

I agree. I could see a Pacioretty trade being a W for the Knights

[Monahammer]

Crazy proposal du jour:

Gaudreau for Pacioretty and Glass

Edit: NVM I had somehow missed VGK trading Stastny. Makes sense. They are pretty thin at centre now, especially if Glass isn't ready for NHL yet.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think they'd be selling high on Max Pacioretty if they traded him right now. He had a great season, but the two seasons prior to that were pretty poor.

He's 32 and becomes a free agent in 2023. Not terrible term, but not valuable either, especially with a flat cap.

They bought super high on Pacioretty though. Tatar has scored more points in the 2 years since the trade and remember the knights gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get him for 20 games. They also gave up former 1st rounder Suzuki in the deal and the hype machine in Montreal has him as their top C prospect even over Kotkaniemi. They also gave up a 2nd.

I don’t see any way the Knights get more value than what they paid. They are not in a sell high situation especially due to the age of Pacioretty and flat cap.

Basically the Knights gave up what equates to 2 1st, 2 2nd and a 3rd for 20 games of Tatar and 5 seasons of Pacioretty where the last 4 were at a $7M cap hit.



I would love if the Flames could get a trade for Gaudreau and have it work out like the Pacioretty trade has worked out for the Habs

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They bought super high on Pacioretty though. Tatar has scored more points in the 2 years since the trade and remember the knights gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get him for 20 games. They also gave up former 1st rounder Suzuki in the deal and the hype machine in Montreal has him as their top C prospect even over Kotkaniemi. They also gave up a 2nd.

I don’t see any way the Knights get more value than what they paid. They are not in a sell high situation especially due to the age of Pacioretty and flat cap.

Basically the Knights gave up what equates to 2 1st, 2 2nd and a 3rd for 20 games of Tatar and 5 seasons of Pacioretty where the last 4 were at a $7M cap hit.



I would love if the Flames could get a trade for Gaudreau and have it work out like the Pacioretty trade has worked out for the Habs

I personally think it doesn't make sense to consider acquisition cost. It's kind of a sunk-cost fallacy. If Vegas can trade Pacioretty and improve their team now and in the future, they should consider it, even if the out column is bigger than the in column

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I personally think it doesn't make sense to consider acquisition cost. It's kind of a sunk-cost fallacy. If Vegas can trade Pacioretty and improve their team now and in the future, they should consider it, even if the out column is bigger than the in column

That’s fair. I get that his value is higher this summer than last after getting back to 30 goals but I just do not see a scenario where they make their team better trading him.

Maybe they pull a Schmidt and trade Patches for a 3rd and then sign Hoffman?

Not a lot of teams that want a 32 year old winger making $7M that are going to give up more value than what he is worth to Vegas especially with guys like Hoffman and Granlund unsigned.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess is Pacioretty ends up in Nashville. Just a gut feeling and they had opened up cap space to pursue Hall and Pietrangelo (I think) so wouldn't need to send much cap back to Vegas.

The biggest barrier might be the chance that they could be in the same division this year.

[mrchristy31]

If rumors are true, what sort of adder would it take for a Monahan-Toews Swap

Does: Monahan, Ryan, B Prospect get it done? Is it crazy to consider?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mrchristy31

If rumors are true, what sort of adder would it take for a Monahan-Toews Swap

Does: Monahan, Ryan, B Prospect get it done? Is it crazy to consider?

I think Toews has stated he doesn't want to leave and I would not want to take on Towes contract

[dammage79]

Toews? Backlund , 2021 1st and bonus assets for retaining salary down to Backlund cap hit.

[ComixZone]

If Kane were actually available, I imagine Buffalo would be a huge player there.

[Geeoff]

To Chicago:

Lucic
Hanifin
picks

To Calgary:

Jonathan Toews


Then move Backlund in a separate deal?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

To Chicago:

Lucic
Hanifin
picks

To Calgary:

Jonathan Toews


Then move Backlund in a separate deal?

Hell if we can get Toews while unloading Lucic there is no need to move Backlund. Just roll ultra deep center lines:

Johnny-Toews-Lindy
Tkachuk-Monahan-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube

Personally I would prefer to try and swing at Kane and move Johnny lol.

[mrchristy31]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hell if we can get Toews while unloading Lucic there is no need to move Backlund. Just roll ultra deep center lines:

Johnny-Toews-Lindy
Tkachuk-Monahan-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube

Personally I would prefer to try and swing at Kane and move Johnny lol.

That would be a dream, I don't see Kane agreeing to a move to Calgary however. The reason I suggested Toews, is being a Winnipeg boy, he might accept to finish his career a quick 2 hour flight from home.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by mrchristy31

That would be a dream, I don't see Kane agreeing to a move to Calgary however. The reason I suggested Toews, is being a Winnipeg boy, he might accept to finish his career a quick 2 hour flight from home.

As opposed to the whopping four hours it is now?

[Monahammer]

Chicago is closer to winnipeg than calgary.

Chicago to Winnipeg: ~1,150 kms vs ~1,200 kms for winni-Calgary.