When will next season start? Return to Play Negotiations

[Burning Beard]

Can't wait for this to get started. Should see some sloppy hockey the first couple of weeks. Haha.

[kyuss275]

So if the teams listed that might not be able to have training camp in their own backyards, I presume they will be starting regular season on the road. What happens with the Canadian division if Alberta also ends up tightening restrictions?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

So if the teams listed that might not be able to have training camp in their own backyards, I presume they will be starting regular season on the road. What happens with the Canadian division if Alberta also ends up tightening restrictions?

welcome to your Regina Flames and Saskatoon Oilers.
with both teams temporarily renamed the Roughriders.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The league only generates 36% of revenue from gate revenues.

Has it been confirmed that the league will take a hit on their tv contract as a result of fewer games?

I don't see the 36% number.

Have seen two sources that say every game generates between $1.7 and 1.8M per night.

41 home games, 1 preseason (estimate), and an average of 3 playoff games per team across the league (worked out a playoff grid) gives you 45

45 x $1.75M = $2.45B or 49% of the $5B estimate.

And yes have seen lots of talk about having to bank back last year's end of year missed games as an example.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The league only generates 36% of revenue from gate revenues.

Has it been confirmed that the league will take a hit on their tv contract as a result of fewer games?

How could they not?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How could they not?

You could give them the same number of national games, or more even.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't see the 36% number.

This graph depicts the estimated revenue from regular season ticketing as percentage of total revenue in the National Hockey League (NHL) from 2010/11 to 2018/19. In the 2018/19 season the revenue from gate receipts made up 36.6 percent of the league's total revenue.

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Have seen two sources that say every game generates between $1.7 and 1.8M per night.

41 home games, 1 preseason (estimate), and an average of 3 playoff games per team across the league (worked out a playoff grid) gives you 45

45 x $1.75M = $2.45B or 49% of the $5B estimate.

I’ve seen the $1.7M avg/game figure but I haven’t seen whether or not that was calculated with playoff games included. If that is the case then that figure is likely quite inflated as playoff games on average obviously generate way more revenue than a regular season game.

And yes have seen lots of talk about having to bank back last year's end of year missed games as an example.

Can you please clarify what you’re saying here? Are you saying the league has had to pay back NBC for missed games?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How could they not?

It would depend on how the tv contract is structured, does NBC have to pay the league more money when a playoff series goes beyond 4 games?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It would depend on how the tv contract is structured, does NBC have to pay the league more money when a playoff series goes beyond 4 games?

A single series going beyond four games doesn't affect the number of nationally televised games. But seems like going from 82 games to 56 or 52 would.

And it wouldn't just be the impact to nationally televised games, would it?

I thought it was established that the biggest economic reason for the playoff bubble was to fulfill programming requirements for the TV contracts.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

You could give them the same number of national games, or more even.

Triple headers every Saturday in Canada?

Scheduling will be interesting.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A single series going beyond four games doesn't affect the number of nationally televised games.

I imagine it would. If the finals are nationally televised there is clearly going to be more games televised in a 7 game series versus a 4 game sweep.

But seems like going from 82 games to 56 or 52 would.

And it wouldn't just be the impact to nationally televised games, would it?

I was just using NBC as an example, it could definitely impact every tv deal but I’m not sure if their tv deals are based on rights for a specific time period/season or on a specific number of games. Considering individual teams don’t know how many games will be nationally or regionally broadcast every season I think it’s unlikely that regional tv deals are based on a specific numbers of games as those numbers would change every season.

I thought it was established that the biggest economic reason for the playoff bubble was to fulfill programming requirements for the TV contracts.

Having a playoffs was probably the biggest issue there. It’s not as if they had to play the canceled regular season games.

[dino7c]

So who doesn't get to play opening night?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So who doesn't get to play opening night?

Kylington, if he doesn't sign.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

So if the teams listed that might not be able to have training camp in their own backyards, I presume they will be starting regular season on the road. What happens with the Canadian division if Alberta also ends up tightening restrictions?

It feels like Alberta would be more likely to let fans in the building than they would at having tighter restrictions than other parts of Canada.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Kylington, if he doesn't sign.

How many Kyllings do you think he’s after?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...isticContainer



I’ve seen the $1.7M avg/game figure but I haven’t seen whether or not that was calculated with playoff games included. If that is the case then that figure is likely quite inflated as playoff games on average obviously generate way more revenue than a regular season game.



Can you please clarify what you’re saying here? Are you saying the league has had to pay back NBC for missed games?

The 36% could be the ticket pricing only, and doesn't include concessions and merchandise which the $1.7M and $1.8M do.

Seemed like they were referring to regular season games to me, but I honestly don't know.

Simple math with a lot of assumptions suggests they would go from a $770M profit to a $1.1B loss with a 56 game schedule and the players getting 72% of their contracts.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How many Kyllings do you think he’s after?

Damn

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I imagine it would. If the finals are nationally televised there is clearly going to be more games televised in a 7 game series versus a 4 game sweep.



I was just using NBC as an example, it could definitely impact every tv deal but I’m not sure if their tv deals are based on rights for a specific time period/season or on a specific number of games. Considering individual teams don’t know how many games will be nationally or regionally broadcast every season I think it’s unlikely that regional tv deals are based on a specific numbers of games as those numbers would change every season.



Having a playoffs was probably the biggest issue there. It’s not as if they had to play the canceled regular season games.

So your point is that you don't think the number of games available to televise has any impact on what the broadcast revenues will be? Your example that i bolded doesn't seem remotely similar to the situation of a significantly shortened season. Sure seems likely the regional TV deals would specify the number of games within a reasonable window.

Common sense tells me the networks and other rights holders would have negotiated the amount of content they were to receive but interested if you have some evidence to the contrary.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It feels like Alberta would be more likely to let fans in the building than they would at having tighter restrictions than other parts of Canada.

No kidding, what about the current government gives any indication that restrictions implemented would not allow for relaxations for professional sports?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How many Kyllings do you think he’s after?