[News] Pfizer says early data signals COVID-19 vaccine is 90% effective

[Azure]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Further, do we know if, or how far back they were on a blackout from trading ?

The other executive of the two in the article scheduled it a YEAR AGO.

This is a non-story.

Again, it wasn't obvious when the story first broke that the sale was planned a year ago.

There is nothing wrong with people asking, so yes it is a story. It just happened to be a story where the original reporting on it didn't properly cover the whole story and instead resorted to headline tactics in order to generate clickbait.

I don't get why people have such an issue if someone asks about these things. We ask, someone answers, we learn and move on.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Azure

Again, it wasn't obvious when the story first broke that the sale was planned a year ago.

There is nothing wrong with people asking, so yes it is a story. It just happened to be a story where the original reporting on it didn't properly cover the whole story and instead resorted to headline tactics in order to generate clickbait.

I don't get why people have such an issue if someone asks about these things. We ask, someone answers, we learn and move on.

Why wasn’t it obvious ?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Why wasn’t it obvious ?

Because the original news reports that broke the story never said anything about the sale being planned for in advance, so obviously a lot of people had questions.

Stock fraud is a big deal. People have the right to ask these questions.

Our governments are also pumping a ridiculous amount of money into getting these vaccines. Our money. So yes I care why a higher end in Pfizer would sell stock on the same day that his company goes public with the most important vaccine of our lifetime.

[photon]

Moderna says theirs is 94.5% effective.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/moder...irus-1.5803266

[Jacks]

I've been avoiding news for 6 months now because it's mostly depressing. Didn't Bill Gates fund manufacturing for all of the major vaccine candidates so whichever one worked could be rolled out quickly?
Did that change or is that included in the production numbers they are citing?

[Johnny Makarov]

and we have 56 million doses from Moderna. So it should cover everyone in Canada.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I've been avoiding news for 6 months now because it's mostly depressing. Didn't Bill Gates fund manufacturing for all of the major vaccine candidates so whichever one worked could be rolled out quickly?
Did that change or is that included in the production numbers they are citing?

Yes and yesterday (I think, but maybe just over this weekend) his foundation committed a further $70m to help with the costs of distribution and to try to speed things up in terms of overall dissemination.

[Boreal]

https://peterattiamd.com/pauloffit/

Paul Offit is a pediatrician specializing in infectious diseases and an expert in virology and vaccine development. He currently serves on the FDA committee overseeing and evaluating COVID-19 vaccines. In this episode, Paul discusses the strategies and major companies pursuing a vaccine against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. He gets into the nuances of the vaccine approval process and its implications for COVID-19 vaccine outlook. Paul also explains potential risks, reveals his own confidence level in safety, and gives insight into protection against reinfection with vaccination. Please note that this episode was recorded 11/05/2020, prior to the 11/09/2020 news release of the Pfizer vaccine update.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Paul Offit is the man. If you want one of the smartest people in the country talk about vaccines, that's the guy.

[Robbob]

So Moderna is another two shot vaccine, although it sounds like it can be stored in a regular freezer and refrigerated it will last a few weeks days. That should make this one a bit easier to deploy.

Will be interesting to see exactly how many of these vaccines, that Canada pre-odered, make it to Canada by the end of the year.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Boreal

https://peterattiamd.com/pauloffit/

Is this going to depress the hell out of me? Or is it neutrally interesting?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So Moderna is another two shot vaccine, although it sounds like it can be stored in a regular freezer and refrigerated it will last a few weeks days. That should make this one a bit easier to deploy.

Will be interesting to see exactly how many of these vaccines, that Canada pre-odered, make it to Canada by the end of the year.

Looks like it will be way easier to distribute. It only needs to be stored at -20c so it can be stored in a normal freezer.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...date-1.5190868

"You have the ability to maintain it at -20 degrees Celsius, which is essentially a regular freezer temperature at home or medical freezer temperature for up to six months of which up to 30 days can be at a regular refrigerator temperature," Jordan said in an interview on Monday."It's pretty consistent with the medical infrastructure that's used in wholesalers, physician's offices and pharmacies," he added.

[troutman]

Paul Offit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit

He is one of the most public faces of the scientific consensus that vaccines have no association with autism. As a result, he has been the frequent target of hate mail and death threats.

Offit defines alternative medicine as quackery when it involves unappreciated harm and replacement of conventional therapies that work, with alternative therapies that don't. His books and articles warn against expense and risk to health for recipients of alternative therapies. In 2013 Offit wrote the book Do you believe in Magic? – The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine.[23] Offit states that the purpose of the book "is to take a critical look at the field of Alternative Medicine – to separate fact from myth." and that "There's only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't."(p. 6) One of Offit's concerns is the scare tactics he says proponents of Alternative Medicine will often use, in a 2010 podcast with the Point of Inquiry Offit stated "it is very difficult to unscare people when you scare them."

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by troutman

Paul Offit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit

That's my kinda guy!

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Looks like it will be way easier to distribute. It only needs to be stored at -20c so it can be stored in a normal freezer.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...date-1.5190868

That's why Pfizers CEO sold like 60%+ of his stock.

[opendoor]

Moderna doesn't have the production capabilities of Pfizer (I don't think they've even finished setting up their non-US production yet), so being easier to distribute only really has benefits in the long-term once production catches up to demand. Both of these companies are going to be selling doses as fast as they make them for the foreseeable future.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

That's why Pfizers CEO sold like 60%+ of his stock.

Yeah he had a crystal ball to look ahead 12 months and schedule that stock sale.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah he had a crystal ball to look ahead 12 months and schedule that stock sale.

It sure worked out awfully well for him. He may not have been able to time the stock sale but certainly good for him his company made that announcement last week before Moderna.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It sure worked out awfully well for him. He may not have been able to time the stock sale but certainly good for him his company made that announcement last week before Moderna.

Yup, great for him. But not the reason why.

[Robbob]

Is there anywhere that has mentioned the production capacity for these companies? I thought I had read a few months ago that these company were going to start mass producing prior to any approval so they could hit the ground running. Is the 20 million does that Monderna says will be delivered to the US include that early production or are they sitting on more doses and the 20 million only account a certain percentage (albeit probably the majority).

I am curious if Canada started to receive even 5% of what these companies can produce weekly, how long until we are able move forward with a plan. With each company that we have an agreement with, gets approved, it really does open the door wider.