Who do you HOPE Seattle takes in the expansion draft.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It seems pretty naive to think that a player's most recent season is the only factor of consideration in a trade. This is a silly assumption. I doubt Giordano will ever again have a campaign as good as his Norris trophy season. But I am equally as confident that he will be better than he was last year.

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He didn't play his best hockey in the bubble, but his overall season wasn't all that bad.

31st for dmen in CF%
32nd for dmen in xGF%

Still a top pairing defenseman.

[MrMike]

I don’t know why you’d let Gio be taken when he’s worth more value right now than Kylington. That would be poor asset management.

Like one poster said in a trade Gio would bring back a much greater return than Kylington.

[dammage79]

As the roster stands today? I don't know. Kylington isn't signed yet. Assuming he is, then him maybe?

If you're asking who I would expose? Gio. The end of the line is coming for him no matter what happens.

Ask this question again when games are being played and we know the full roster they're rolling with. I still think there's a few more moves in Trelivings hopper.

[StoneCole]

lucic doesn't waive.

Have to assume he's protected.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by StoneCole

lucic doesn't waive.

Have to assume he's protected.

Lucic waives.

Treliving stated multiple times it won’t be an issue. Sounds like this was agreed to when he left Edmonton

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It seems pretty naive to think that a player's most recent season is the only factor of consideration in a trade. This is a silly assumption. I doubt Giordano will ever again have a campaign as good as his Norris trophy season. But I am equally as confident that he will be better than he was last year.

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You do know he is 37 years old right? Maybe if he was 33-34 there might be a chance.

Also his "leadership" in the playoffs has been beyond pathetic. That doesn't factor in for you?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Assuming it's based on last years number, who in the hell would give up a 1st rounder for him?? Even Dim Benning wouldn't do that.

Andy Greene was traded for a 2nd and a prospect
Tyler Toffoli was traded for two players, a 2nd and a 4th
Marco Scandella was traded for a 2nd and a 4th
Brendan Dillon was traded for a 2nd and 3rd
Blake Coleman was traded for Nolan Foote and a 1st
Alec Martinez for two 2nds
Athanasiou for two 2nds and Gagner

Couple older trades for 1sts:
Blues traded Stastny to the Jets for a 1st
Flyers traded Hayes to the Jets for a 1st

the asset return for Gio in a trade is debatable; the point is that you don't lose Gio for nothing

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Andy Greene was traded for a 2nd and a prospect
Tyler Toffoli was traded for two players, a 2nd and a 4th
Marco Scandella was traded for a 2nd and a 4th
Brendan Dillon was traded for a 2nd and 3rd
Blake Coleman was traded for Nolan Foote and a 1st
Alec Martinez for two 2nds
Athanasiou for two 2nds and Gagner
Blues traded Stastny to the Jets for a 1st
Flyers traded Hayes to the Jets for a 1st

the asset return for Gio in a trade is debatable; the point is that you don't lose Gio for nothing

Then trade him. I don't want him 'leading' us into another playoff series ever again!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think that's debatable. Backlund was on his way to a career year before the stoppage; I see no reason why he won't be just as good for at least one more season




Explain. Why "should" Backlund be playing on the third line in 2021?


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Statically speaking player decline after the age of 30. Naturally there are exceptions to this, nevertheless, it is always more likely that a player will be worse at 32 than they will be at 30. By the time Backlund would be hypothetically exposed he would be 32 years old. This is not an indictment of his play last season, or potential play this season, it is simply forecasting the trajectory of a players career and managing assets based on relevant information.

Firstly, the season after next season, Seattles first season, is 2022. Maybe I am crazy but I think the Flames would be in trouble if they had r a 32 center playing top 6 minutes. Last season there were 5 centers 32 or older who registered more than 40 points ( Evgeni Malkin, Patrice Bergeron, . Eric Staal, David Krejci, and Ryan Getzlaf) . Pretty well all of those players are on track to be 1st ballot hall of famers. Backlund would be beating the odds to perform anywhere near where he did last season two years in the future.

Besides I think that if he was exposed he wouldn't even get picked because Seattle wont be looking for 32 year old players under contract for two more years to make their bottom six cap structure bloated.

[Canada 02]

I'd be shocked if you find a single GM in the league who questions Gio's leadership

[Poe969]

The Krack take Backlund and Gio is traded at the deadline. Both still great guys but they need to start cashing in on depreciating assets (if they're out of the race) with a guy like Gio (who could re-sign after playoffs anyway). The only way losing Backlund really hurts the team is if they haven't found a better second line C and if that's the case, they aren't going anywhere anyway.

[Azhouse]

Gio.

He was horrible last playoff (all playoffs). His decline has been steady since the Norris.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lucic waives.

Treliving stated multiple times it won’t be an issue. Sounds like this was agreed to when he left Edmonton

Any links to this?

I’m wondering if his new love for the game and liking of coach ward, make him want to stay. If he’s worried about the flames offering a pick to take him he might not want to waive.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by stang

Any links to this?

I’m wondering if his new love for the game and liking of coach ward, make him want to stay. If he’s worried about the flames offering a pick to take him he might not want to waive.

He's from the lower mainland, I imagine he'd enjoy a chance to play in Seattle only a few hours driving distance from Vancouver.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by stang

Any links to this?

I’m wondering if his new love for the game and liking of coach ward, make him want to stay. If he’s worried about the flames offering a pick to take him he might not want to waive.

Can't find a link but it was certainly stated at the time of the trade. That and the Calgary media staying away from the issue certainly hints at something being worked out at the time of the trade.

He's waiving.

But won't get selected, the Flames won't need to give them another asset to avoid them taking Lucic.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Then trade him. I don't want him 'leading' us into another playoff series ever again!

Yikes ... what in your eyes did he do?

I think Giordano is a guy that has a lot of skill, but a good part of it comes from his work ethic and refusing to let down. When he gets to the playoffs he's matched in terms of effort by everyone on the ice and with that his game appears to slide.

But the guy shows up. On the ice, in the room, and after if things don't go well.

Not sure you're vitriol is well placed.

His contract was always going to be 2 good years, two average years, and two declining years. The fact that he won a Norris in year three, and by all measures was still a top pairing defenseman in year four is a huge bonus.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't find a link but it was certainly stated at the time of the trade. That and the Calgary media staying away from the issue certainly hints at something being worked out at the time of the trade.

He's waiving.

But won't get selected, the Flames won't need to give them another asset to avoid them taking Lucic.

I never said to avoid. I said a sweetener to take him. If he waives but the flames offer a second to the Kraken to take Lucic, that could be avoided by him not waiving.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by stang

I never said to avoid. I said a sweetener to take him. If he waives but the flames offer a second to the Kraken to take Lucic, that could be avoided by him not waiving.

Oh sorry.

Would assume any gentleman's agreement from Lucic would have closed that loop from the Flames, but clearly I have no idea. Would seem pretty weak from the organization to get him to agree to waive and then find a way to hasten his exit.

What's interesting to me is how much his roster spot has changed. I think they generally like him on the roster now. Clearly overpaid by about $4M but playing a role.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Gio.

He was horrible last playoff (all playoffs). His decline has been steady since the Norris.

I'm gonna blame that on the long break and immediately starting meaningful games. He won't be that bad next season after a proper training camp and pre-season.

[Dajazz]

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