2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[kehatch]

I would love to see Hanifin for Carlo. I don't see it though.

Boston might be interested in Hanafin, but that would be to add to their D with Chara potentially retiring / reducing minutes. They likely aren't looking to move out their second best RH D.

Besides, Carlo might be worth more then Hanafin. They have similar counting numbers, possession numbers, and are the same age. Except Carlo is on a better contract and is a monster. A huge RH shot D that can skate, has a good first pass, and who is huge isn't easy to come by.

If Hanafin is out there, it's probably for a forward. Debrusk makes the most sense with Boston.

If you really want Carlo though, something involving Carlo/Debrusk and Hanafin/Gaudreau would be interesting (unlikely).

[Love]

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kehatch

If you really want Carlo though, something involving Carlo/Debrusk and Hanafin/Gaudreau would be interesting (unlikely).

That's a trade that may make sense for both teams, depending on each GM's opinion of the players involved.

Boston is taking on more cap though which is often undoable these days.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That's a trade that may make sense for both teams, depending on each GM's opinion of the players involved.

Boston is taking on more cap though which is often undoable these days.

If you think trading Hanifin and Gaudreau for Carlo and Debrusk makes sense for us you are out to lunch! That would be the worst trade in franchise history by a mile.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you think trading Hanifin and Gaudreau for Carlo and Debrusk makes sense for us you are out to lunch! That would be the worst trade in franchise history by a mile.

Wore than the Gilmour trade by a mile? C'mon. You may not like the trade, but lets not get ridiculous.

You gain control in years, which is often the name of the game here.

If we keep Johnny to contend over the nest two years, we are surely going to lose him for nothing.

[SuperMatt18]

No doubt.

Flames are trading the 2 best players in that trade - it would be the Gilmour trade all over again.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Wore than the Gilmour trade by a mile? C'mon. You may not like the trade, but lets not get ridiculous.

You gain control in years, which is often the name of the game here.

If we keep Johnny to contend over the nest two years, we are surely going to lose him for nothing.

It would be close IMO.

Gaudreau >>> De Brusk
Hanifin > Carlo

Debrusk is 24 and an RFA
Carlo is 23 and an RFA in a year.

Gaudreau is 27 with 2 years left until UFA.
Hanifin is 23 with 4 years left until UFA.

So in terms of team control Carlo and Hanifin are a wash, since both are 23 with similar time left to UFA. So you're downgraded from Gaudreau/Hanifin to Debrusk/Carlo to get maybe an extra 2-3 years of team control from Debrusk. That would be a horrible, horrible trade.

[Bonded]

Yup, I think Hanfiin is more valuable than carlo but can see the argument for Carlo being a wash. DeBrusk is a huge downgrade from Gaudreau. Flames get hosed.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Gaudreau >> Hanifin >= Carlo >> DeBrusk

Garbage trade if it happened. Better be getting a 1st and Studnicka, even if we are shedding cap in the deal. Boston would take that deal and run away without looking back. It would make them an even bigger threat and continuing to be strong contenders.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

No doubt.

Flames are trading the 2 best players in that trade - it would be the Gilmour trade all over again.



It would be close IMO.

Gaudreau >>> De Brusk
Hanifin > Carlo

Debrusk is 24 and an RFA
Carlo is 23 and an RFA in a year.

Gaudreau is 27 with 2 years left until UFA.
Hanifin is 23 with 4 years left until UFA.

So in terms of team control Carlo and Hanifin are a wash, since both are 23 with similar time left to UFA. So you're downgraded from Gaudreau/Hanifin to Debrusk/Carlo to get maybe an extra 2-3 years of team control from Debrusk. That would be a horrible, horrible trade.

Many think that Carlo has more trade value than Hanifin.

In any event, Calgary got nothing for Gilmour, and Gilmour was an exceptionally good player for Toronto.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Langkow was 28-years-old when he arrived in Calgary, and Monahan has just turned 26. I bet there is still more to Monahan's game that we haven't seen yet.

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Last year Monahan made it a focus to be better away from the puck. It is a work in progress, but he is still a young player improving that side of his game. Probably the instant success he had with Gaudreau may have set him back a bit as they started to cheat towards offence. I think a lot of young players go through that and learn that you need to work at it in all zones. At least Monahan understands that. To say he is what he is at this point, I agree is premature. Yzerman was probably closer to 30 before he evolved his game.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by New Era

Hanifin and a sweetener for Carlo and Debrusk? Then move Gaudreau for Gostisbehere, Frost, and Foerster. Profit!!!

The Flames get significantly worse now and only mildly better 5+ years from now with these trades.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Love

Impressive - Hanifin has far more blue lines vs red ones than Carlo does, which I think is what you want in a defence man.

Some context, please, Love.

[TheoFleury]

If BT trades Hanifin+Gaudreau for Carlo+Debrusk, I am out.

Gaudreau is a top 5 LW in all of hockey

Hanifin is a solid 4D with room to grow offensively and defensively though it might not happen. Probably a 20% chance we have a top pairing guy in Hanifin. I'd rather hold on and see, than trade him for a guy who isn't as good right now.

Carlo is a 4/5D who likely is what he is. A stay at home D who we are only talking about because he shoots right

Debrusk is okay but I feel he is middle six material long term on a good team. Gaudreau cannot be replaced by a guy who basically becomes your 5th or 6th best forward (depending on your view of what Dube becomes). He would be our 4th best left shooting forward immediately and likely our 5th or 6th in a year or two. Not smart at all.

Hanifin to Boston doesn't really make a lot of sense unless we are looking to get worse. I would insist on debrusk+2nd for Hanifin alone then I would probably try to trade that return for an actual right shooting RW for the top 6. Might as well eliminate the middle man and go straight for that guy.

Dealing Gaudreau, I fear is a boat that has sailed given the covid climate and his last year's performance. I would rather let him walk for nothing and enjoy his last 2 years here than trade him for anything less than a bluechip prospect+1st or at least a guy like Cozens+a sweetener. If that's not out there, just let him go. It's not worth losing him for two years to pick up a bunch of maybes and warm bodies.

[SeanCharles]

Yea I want nothing to do with Gaudreau for Debrusk.

Hanifin for Carlo is fairly close but of course everyone has to include Gaudreau in every trade discussion and then act like it’s a good idea when we get the s#@% end of the stick.

I don’t know why I jump in this thread really.

Terrible Gaudreau or Monahan proposals ever time I stop by.

[kyuss275]

If flames are trading Hanifin ( I think that would be a mistake) it better be for a top 6 forward. Trading him for a different dman would be a lateral move at best.

[Vinny01]

Hanifin to Boston definitely makes sense for the Bruins but not so sure for the Flames.

I would love a Hanifin+Ryan for Debrusk and Carlo but otherwise not sure what deals make sense for the Flames?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hanifin to Boston definitely makes sense for the Bruins but not so sure for the Flames.

I would love a Hanifin+Ryan for Debrusk and Carlo but otherwise not sure what deals make sense for the Flames?

Hanifin for Carlo made a lot more sense before the Tanev signing

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames get significantly worse now and only mildly better 5+ years from now with these trades.

Completely disagree.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Hanifin for Carlo made a lot more sense before the Tanev signing

Absolutely agree. That trade today basically forces Valimaki in the top 4 out of the gate and pushes Tanev to the third pairing almost immediately solidifying his contract as a dud from day 1

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Hanifin for Carlo made a lot more sense before the Tanev signing

I agree. Now, 3 RD’s and one for-sure LD wouldn’t make sense at all.