[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It seemed like a massive debacle was a given pre-election, then it seemed like Trump might leave office with a whimper and now I can’t help but feel momentum is building again for a large scale coup of some kind. Whether it is via legal means or by force.

It's only a coup if it's from the coup d'état region of France.

Otherwise it's just a sparkling authoritarian takeover.



(credit goes to some random tweet I saw a while ago).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I believe Arizona flipping to Republican based on mail in votes would be a very good thing. Might take some wind out of Trump's sails.

Originally Posted by flylock shox

To the contrary: I think it would legitimize his claims of fraud in the minds of his supporters. It could even push some hard core Trump supporters to abandon Fox News in favour of even more partisan sources of information.

Sigh. The shenanigans with the counting right now is completely unrelated to mail in votes. The counts right now are associated with people who requested mail in ballots then took them to polling stations late in the day and dropped them off.

Arizona has had main in voting for years and never had a problem with it. In fact, Arizona was able to turn around results on election night so quickly because of mail in voting. Arizona allows you to submit you ballot two to three weeks before election day, and as those ballots come in they are registered and counted. Where we ran into problems is Republicans held their mail in ballots back and didn't return them as they normally do, as directed by Trump, which caused an influx of late ballots that had to be handled and verified by workers already working on verifying the ballots from election day.

This was a self inflicted wound because of the stupidity from the Trump campaign and the voters not following state issued instructions. To make matters worse, the "sharpie" vote issue (caused by the Governor's office) required extra supervision which slowed the vote that much more. If people had just followed instructions and not listened to the Trump campaign this would have been put to bed and verified by now.

[direwolf]

As of this morning, Biden's lead in GA is still over 14,000.

The lead in AZ continues to drop slightly, as he now only leads by 12,800. But at this point I doubt it flips back to red.

[Boreal]

Trump is completely Russia’s useful idiot.

I started watching this last night.

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Russia doesn’t actually care about Trump or the USA. He wants to disrupt sow confusion, chaos, and division.

He’s done this on the vaccine discussion, creating instigating rhetoric that fuels division on both sides.

He doesn’t care what the topic is, he wants to see the West implode.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

To the contrary: I think it would legitimize his claims of fraud in the minds of his supporters. It could even push some hard core Trump supporters to abandon Fox News in favour of even more partisan sources of information.

Agreed Arizona going blue pretty much destroys Trumps path to 270 and can speed up the process to sending Donnie out of office. Trump may be blowing noise and spliting America with his doubt on the election system. I have no doubt this was expected and theres plans from within to make sure there will be a peaceful transfer of power regardless what Trump wants.

Mitch will eventually have to make a choice, as of now hes just stated Trump has his rights to make sure every vote has been counted, before the election has been decided. If Mitch casts doubt on the ballots, those same ballots for now have given Mitch a great chance to continue as a majority leader of the senate. Can't say the ballots are illegal when both names are on the ballot.



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[Strange Brew]

Let's hope an election never comes down to Alaska. A full week after the lection and still only 3/4 of votes counted.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Let's hope an election never comes down to Alaska. A full week after the lection and still only 3/4 of votes counted.

It's the unusually high number of mail in ballots.



Hard to process them quickly with mitts on.



Ba-dum-ching.

[calgaryred]

More sour grapes from Trump this time its Pfizer

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...accine-results

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[bigtmac19]

So Trump showed up late to Arlington today. Well past the 11/11/11 significant time for the ceremony, while everyone there waited in the rain. He stayed 6 minutes.

He is beyond disgusting and disrespectful and such a scumbag.

[direwolf]

That ain't gonna sit well with the military personnel he needs to help him with his coup.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by direwolf

That ain't gonna sit well with the military personnel he needs to help him with his coup.

Trump has no military support its an illusion I have no doubt when the time comes Trump is gone.

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[Duruss]

Originally Posted by direwolf

That ain't gonna sit well with the military personnel he needs to help him with his coup.

Yeah ihs continued disrespect to the military is now a good thing, truly a strange time.

[direwolf]

Trump launches new lawsuit in Michigan, trying to prevent the certification of the results. I'm guessing this one will be thrown out just like the last one. They're really grasping at straws here.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ts/6240698002/

The campaign of President Donald Trump said Tuesday it is suing Michigan in federal court in an effort to prevent final certification of the state's election results, as Trump continues to refuse to concede to Joe Biden or accept the outcome of the race for the presidency.

The allegations of election misconduct are similar to those outlined in other lawsuits in Michigan and additional states. These lawsuits have largely not succeeded; some incorporate allegations that have been debunked or refuted, either by the Free Press or elections officials.

While the campaign and its attorneys called for patience and said the lawsuit would instill confidence in the electoral process, no one would commit to the lawsuit changing the outcome of the race in Michigan or nationally, where Biden has a sizeable advantage.

[activeStick]

Trumpers now calling News Max fake news!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1326578045059215361

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Russia doesn’t actually care about Trump or the USA. He wants to disrupt sow confusion, chaos, and division.

He’s done this on the vaccine discussion, creating instigating rhetoric that fuels division on both sides.

He doesn’t care what the topic is, he wants to see the West implode.

I think that's what a lot of people need to understand here. These countries meddling in democracy DGAF who wins or loses, as long as they cast the seeds of doubt whether or not democracy actually works.

I listened to a really interesting Joe Rogan podcast where he had an ex navy seal on it who made some really good points about this. He basically said their job when they went into a country to overthrow someone was to do whatever they could to destabilize their system, which is EXACTLY what is happening right now through all these misinformation campaigns. Trump isn't Russia's personal puppet, he's PRECISELY the useful idiot they can take advantage of to try and throw a wrench into one of the most powerful democracies on the planet.

The sooner this orange skid stain fades into obscurity the better, as far as I'm concerned. His ego has become a danger to SO much more than people realize.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

Trump has no military support its an illusion I have no doubt when the time comes Trump is gone.

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I feel the opposite actually. I think military support for Trump likely aligns quite well with the voting results of the general public, so close to 50/50 at least.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I believe Arizona flipping to Republican based on mail in votes would be a very good thing. Might take some wind out of Trump's sails.

I'm not so optimistic. Florida had a lot of mail-in ballots, which he won, and he's fine with that. He is a petulant child. I mean sure, he's 74 years old and should be more mature and all that, but he just isn't.

[MoneyGuy]

With chatter about Trump winning Nd serving another term (very low chance) or losing and running again in 2024 it got me wondering about the chances he’ll even be alive in 2024.

I’d put those odds at less than 50-50. He’s had young siblings die, lives a *stressful life* and lives a sedentary lifestyle and eats poorly.

I mentioned his stressful lifestyle before and someone challenged that on the basis that watching Fox News and so much golfing isn’t stressful but I think he does get highly stressed. I’m reading my third book on Trump (Donald Trump v the United States) and I believe he has a great deal of stress. He has to worry about what happens after he’s out of office (criminal charges perhaps).

I give him a 40% chance of being alive in four years but maybe he beats the odds.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

With chatter about Trump winning Nd serving another term (very low chance) or losing and running again in 2024 it got me wondering about the chances he’ll even be alive in 2024.

I’d put those odds at less than 50-50. He’s had young siblings die, lives a *stressful life* and lives a sedentary lifestyle and eats poorly.

I mentioned his stressful lifestyle before and someone challenged that on the basis that watching Fox News and so much golfing isn’t stressful but I think he does get highly stressed. I’m reading my third book on Trump (Donald Trump v the United States) and I believe he has a great deal of stress. He has to worry about what happens after he’s out of office (criminal charges perhaps).

I give him a 40% chance of being alive in four years but maybe he beats the odds.

I think he will be in jail. I don't think he'll be running.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

Agreed Arizona going blue pretty much destroys Trumps path to 270 and can speed up the process to sending Donnie out of office. Trump may be blowing noise and spliting America with his doubt on the election system. I have no doubt this was expected and theres plans from within to make sure there will be a peaceful transfer of power regardless what Trump wants.

Mitch will eventually have to make a choice, as of now hes just stated Trump has his rights to make sure every vote has been counted, before the election has been decided. If Mitch casts doubt on the ballots, those same ballots for now have given Mitch a great chance to continue as a majority leader of the senate. Can't say the ballots are illegal when both names are on the ballot.



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These Republicans are being so disingenuous with their ‘he has a right to make sure all votes are counted properly’ line while ignoring the fact that he’s screaming fraud and de-legitimizing the election for a large swath of the electorate. One is a legal right the other is borderline the incitement.